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XLR to RCA But Different Kind of Question

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I know that there are ways to go RCA to XLR however XLR to RCA is usually from what I read from forums not possible. But, my question is can it work for subwoofers?

If the XLR is coming out of a analogue crossover and into the sub which is an RCA input would that work? I only ask because I have tried it and I did get some sound but I am curious if perhaps it wasn't working properly.
 
XLR to RCA is usually from what I read from forums not possible.
No, XLR to RCA is definitely possible.

It's just that on most DACs and preamps, that comes with a performance penalty:
 
No, XLR to RCA is definitely possible.

It's just that on most DACs and preamps, that comes with a performance penalty:
I have a monoprice XLR to RCA cable.

So then the performance loss won't really effect the sub right? I mean it will effect it but won't be noticed as much....
 
I was under impression that there was one way that was not recommended and that was XLR to RCA, maybe I got it wrong.
Going from RCA to XLR is easy, as whether the screen is joined to pin 1 or pin 3 doesn't matter much, and more importantly won't do any damage to the RCA or XLR ends. Use whichever results in less hum and best signal quality. If the XLR input is transformer coupled, fully floating, then leaving pin 3 disconnected will give very weak sound, so making it obvious that it's wrong.

Going from XLR to RCA, one needs to know what type of balanced output is behind the XLR. If fully floating, transformer coupled, then pin 3 MUST be joined to pin 1. If centre-tapped transformer coupled, then pin 3 must be left unconnected, but the signal level is halved. If electronically balanced, i.e. without transformers, then if fully floating, pin 3 can be connected to pin 1 or left floating, whichever works better, but if the output is electronically balanced, but effectively centre-tapped, then connecting pin 3 to pin 1 will short out half the output, which can lead to higher distortion, and possible damage to the XLR output stage. Safest way to unbalance an unknown XLR output is to leave pin 3 unconnected. If it works fine, then all well and good. If the sound is weak, especially with high frequencies only, then connect pin 3 to pin 1.

Better equipment will state how to unbalance outputs and inputs, as getting it wrong will either be obvious, or could damage the XLR output.

S.
 
Going from RCA to XLR is easy, as whether the screen is joined to pin 1 or pin 3 doesn't matter much, and more importantly won't do any damage to the RCA or XLR ends. Use whichever results in less hum and best signal quality. If the XLR input is transformer coupled, fully floating, then leaving pin 3 disconnected will give very weak sound, so making it obvious that it's wrong.

Going from XLR to RCA, one needs to know what type of balanced output is behind the XLR. If fully floating, transformer coupled, then pin 3 MUST be joined to pin 1. If centre-tapped transformer coupled, then pin 3 must be left unconnected, but the signal level is halved. If electronically balanced, i.e. without transformers, then if fully floating, pin 3 can be connected to pin 1 or left floating, whichever works better, but if the output is electronically balanced, but effectively centre-tapped, then connecting pin 3 to pin 1 will short out half the output, which can lead to higher distortion, and possible damage to the XLR output stage. Safest way to unbalance an unknown XLR output is to leave pin 3 unconnected. If it works fine, then all well and good. If the sound is weak, especially with high frequencies only, then connect pin 3 to pin 1.

Better equipment will state how to unbalance outputs and inputs, as getting it wrong will either be obvious, or could damage the XLR output.

S.
My cable is XLR female as it will come out of a crossover, and to the RCA.

From the monoprice website

This cable uses the standard pinout with pins 1 and 3 of the XLR connector wired to the shield of the RCA plug and pin 2 of the XLR connector wired to the tip of the RCA plug.

No other technical information.
 
That monoprice cable will probably work fine.

It would be nice to know the specifics of the circuitry within your crossover XLR output interface. It probably has an active line-driver for both output polarities. But with a nominal series resistance in both legs to decouple capacitive loads. So, even if your cable "shorted out" the inverting polarity with a Pin 1-3 connection, it's not going to damage anything. It could degrade the performance though.
That's could news.
What model/brand crossover is this??

Dave Reite.
Marchand XM66

I also have one - DBX 223xs
 
My cable is XLR female as it will come out of a crossover, and to the RCA.

From the monoprice website

This cable uses the standard pinout with pins 1 and 3 of the XLR connector wired to the shield of the RCA plug and pin 2 of the XLR connector wired to the tip of the RCA plug.

No other technical information.
That means pin 3 is shorted to pin 1. See posting #6 what this means.
 
That monoprice cable will probably work fine.

It would be nice to know the specifics of the circuitry within your crossover XLR output interface. It probably has an active line-driver for both output polarities. But with a nominal series resistance in both legs to decouple capacitive loads. So, even if your cable "shorted out" the inverting polarity with a Pin 1-3 connection, it's not going to damage anything. It could degrade the performance though.

What model/brand crossover is this??

Dave Reite.
Whilst you're likely to be right, that's one of the problems, that it's always possible that you might not be! It's again likely that the active line driver has series resistors to buffer capacitative loads, but firstly, they may not, and secondly, may not be enough to avoid the output stage being overdriven, with a consequent rise in distortion (as you said, degrade performance) but also with the long term risk of the output stage being constantly having to protect itself against an excessive load (i.e a short circuit, buffered by too low a resistance.) I always want to know the details of any balanced output stage I intend to unbalance, just to be sure. That's why this should be stated clearly in the user manual, whether pin 3 should be joined to pin 1 or left floating.

S.
 
This cable uses the standard pinout with pins 1 and 3 of the XLR connector wired to the shield

There is some "risk", if the user manual doesn't say it's OK or tell you how to do it properly...

The balanced output has two signal wires, out of phase with each other. The adapter is shorting one of those signals to ground. Depending on the circuit design that can be harmless or it can be "bad".

Also depending on how the circuit is designed, the signal outputs may be "referenced" to ground and in that case you can use one of them, and the pin-1 ground with either pin 2 or 3 not connected to anything.

There are transformer or active balanced-to unbalanced converters that should be always safe.
 
I'd start with a cable where pin 3 is not connected.
So in the monoprice case, disconnect pin 3 and leave it floating?
 
Unfortunately, Phil does not seem to have the schematic available on his website for the XM66.
Note that the specifications say....."output load capability 100 ohms, mininum." And "output impedance 10 ohms, typical."
That tells me the output resistor on each polarity is probably 10 ohms.

A pin 1-3 short would violate the specifications. So, in this case, I would recommend not using a cable with a Pin 1-3 short.
You could modify the monoprice cable to remove the Pin 1-3 short. Or, just use the RCA interface.

Dave Reite.
My XM66 does not have RCA outputs. But thanks for letting me know, I won't use it on the XM66 or remove the pin 1-3 short so again do I just remove pin3 and disconnect it?
 
My XM66 does not have RCA outputs. But thanks for letting me know, I won't use it on the XM66 or remove the pin 1-3 short so again do I just remove pin3 and disconnect it?
Yes, same as for the dbx. Both have quite low output impedance so shorting them is not advisable. You could ask customer support what they recommend.
 
This cable uses the standard pinout with pins 1 and 3 of the XLR connector wired to the shield of the RCA plug and pin 2 of the XLR connector wired to the tip of the RCA plug.
Monoprice made both types of XLR-RCA cables. This one appears to be their standard offering. They used to offer another (now out of stock) with pin 3 floating (as recommended for my Merging Hapi outputs).
 
All Marchands I have tested (I have one here) are pretty much bullet proof as long as you don't touch the resistor arrays who set the x-over point.
Outputs (and inputs) are highly configurable.
Ask Marchand,they usually respond the same day.
 
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