Why are all tweeters 1 inch in diameter ?

[Satefan]

Modeled in CAD software i get these off axis curves for 19mm / 25mm / 50mm / 75mm pistons, as seen 2-3 inch diameters are not a very modern performance ..

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Super-interesting. I am looking to build the exact same model for the 25mm dome, but in REW so i can use them as overlays for my own accoustic off-axis measurements. Is your graph of the 25mm 'exportable' so i could (if you are willing to share) import it in REW somehow?

Thanks,

Satefan

 

[BYRTT]

Super-interesting. I am looking to build the exact same model for the 25mm dome, but in REW so i can use them as overlays for my own accoustic off-axis measurements. Is your graph of the 25mm 'exportable' so i could (if you are willing to share) import it in REW somehow?

Thanks,

Satefan

Attached in below zipfolder its txt-files created in free VituixCAD software so REW should be happy import those, have fun inclusive the building process..

 

[Satefan]

Modeled in CAD software i get these off axis curves for 19mm / 25mm / 50mm / 75mm pistons, as seen 2-3 inch diameters are not a very modern performance ..

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Attached in below zipfolder its txt-files created in free VituixCAD software so REW should be happy import those, have fun inclusive the building process..

Thanks! I also use Vituixcad, but have not found the way to build these. I need them at about 65dB or so - i'll try to figure out!

 

[Ralph_Cramden]

Maybe I missed it, but no thread on dome tweeters is complete without mention of its inventor, Edgar Villchur. His company, Acoustic Research, truly lived up to its name.

http://edgarvillchur.com/acoustic-research/

 

[BYRTT]

Thanks! I also use Vituixcad, but have not found the way to build these...

Velcome, into VituixCAD go "Tools/Calculator" and use below dialogs to print out piston size txt-files one at a time..

...I need them at about 65dB or so - i'll try to figure out!

Using same calculator as above VituixCAD can offset all them txt-files in one click, 1) pick or say highlight all of them as "A responses", 2) place a dot in "Real A", 3) up at the top of the window there is a dialog called dB where you write 65 to get them offset +65dB but also its possible offset the other way using a negative sign "-" in front of written numbers, 4) Guide where you want the files to be printed using "Destination directory" dialog, 5) hit "Calculate & Save" to print those offset txt-files.

To offset into REW its one at a time using below dialogs..

 

[rdenney]

There is an old trick, beloved of, e.g., Henry Kloss -- the "cone/dome" hybrid tweeter.
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A later post showed the Altec design that is relevant to my (very late) reaction to this statement. The fried-egg tweeter that Kloss designed for the Advent Loudspeaker was not a hybrid cone/dome. It was actually a dome with a radiating compliance. The outer part of the radiating element is not mounted in a compliance the way a dynamic cone would be. His discovery was that the outer part of the structure would radiate significant mid-range energy, so it's really more of a hybrid mid-tweeter. His contention was that the output part would not radiate significant high-frequency power, and so at high frequencies it behaved like a 1" dome tweeter.

Rick "just clarifying Kloss's claims, not validating them" Denney

 

[rdenney]

This variability is coming about because the horn / waveguide is providing impedance matching between the driver and surrounding air, acoustic impedance being the ratio of pressure and velocity. A compression driver does not have too much surface area or excursion, but it can exert considerable pressure. This means a characteristic impedance that's way different from free air, which you may have noticed does not take very much pressure to move quite a bit. A waveguide transforms impedance to be more suitable to transmission, effectively increasing sensitivity. A larger one remains effective to lower frequencies, hence reducing excursion. This is most easily understood if you have an idea of how RF propagation works.
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Another late response...

It has been postulated by several of us, based on study of both Benade and Fletcher-Rossing, that the bell of a brass instrument acts as an impedance-matching device, exactly as you describe. In particular, it attenuates poorly tuned noise and reduces impedance of lower frequencies. And it absolutely affects dispersion patterns--directivity.

So, acoustic propagation works similarly to RF propagation. Who knew?

Rick "who passed his amateur radio exams based on his understanding of acoustics in the frequency domain" Denney

 

[Descartes]

Interesting tweeters on older Sonus Faber are pointy, what is the advantage to do that? I believe they were design by SEAS!

 

[Satefan]

Velcome, into VituixCAD go "Tools/Calculator" and use below dialogs to print out piston size txt-files one at a time..

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Using same calculator as above VituixCAD can offset all them txt-files in one click, 1) pick or say highlight all of them as "A responses", 2) place a dot in "Real A", 3) up at the top of the window there is a dialog called dB where you write 65 to get them offset +65dB but also its possible offset the other way using a negative sign "-" in front of written numbers, 4) Guide where you want the files to be printed using "Destination directory" dialog, 5) hit "Calculate & Save" to print those offset txt-files.

To offset into REW its one at a time using below dialogs..
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Wonderful. I found the option to offset the graph in REW, and will look at the option VituixCad shortly. Truly appreciate your help!

 

[Blaspheme]

Interesting tweeters on older Sonus Faber are pointy, what is the advantage to do that? I believe they were design by SEAS!

Sonus Faber used the ScanSpeak ring radiator tweeter in their Stradivari circa 2005. The pointy bit is a phase plug. Audio Physic used the ring radiator around that time too in their iconic Virgo (and other models) before replacing that with a cone tweeter of their own design.

Meanwhile, Yamaha are continuing to use dome midrange on their modern remake of the NS-1000 (now NS-5000, so five times time better) using novel zylon instead of beryllium.

 

[Chris1965]

Probably the crash itself is lower in frequency and routed/filtered to midwoofer plus midrange so tweeter only handles the splashes but not the crashes ..

What boggles my mind more is how a 1" driver can play so loud. In some configurations it can run alongside a couple of midranges and a few woofers in a large floorstander with upwards of 250W power handling rating. How can annoyingly loud cymbal crashes come cleanly out of a 1 inch thing with <1mm of excursion?

 

[Chris1965]

Actually they don't. I haven't heard one yet. Cymballs are in my ears the most difficult musical instruments to reproduce.

 

[WOLFAGRAM]

If you go too large you have too much of a narrow sweet spot for highs and you also increase mass (inertia) of membrane, making it slower and therefore less detailed sounding in the treble bandwidth.

If you go too small, you cannot move enough air to achieve high SPL without large excursion and large excursion is hard to achieve at treble velocities (at least without phase caused distortions).

Now, they could be 1.1", or 0.9" as equally often as 1", but that would only cause problems with standardisation.

 

[eddantes]

All righty then...
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I had a pair of these Yamaha earspeakers... They were not good. Weak sounding, with little bass.

 

[dfuller]

So, acoustic propagation works similarly to RF propagation. Who knew?

waves is waves, as it turns out.

 

[mhardy6647]

waves is waves, as it turns out.

well, I mean... yes and no.
Transverse vs. longitudinal, e.g.
But... yeah... somewhere down deep inside, sure: waves be wavin'.