Trinnov Waveforming finally released

[Fidji]

Would you be able to share more details please? 4x4 meaning 16 subs per wall? And can you show us some measurements?

is 8 subs - 4 front/4 back in DBA config [as close to 1/4-3/4 point horizontally and vertically. My front wall is bit challenging, so vertically subs are not ideally placed.
This is how it look like in irregular [trapezoidal, bur closed] room

Waveforming without Pressurisation, crossed over to mains at 80Hz. Please note Group Delay

Waveforming - please note Group Delay again and how evenly first 20dB decay.

Double Bass Array - EQ'ed, same subs position as before.

Impulse repsonse - blue DBA, brown Waveforming. - just to repeat myself - this is impulse response of 8 combined subs.

 

[TGB]

just to repeat myself

@Fidji: repeating yourself is a sign of age (or heavy drinking)

 

[holdingpants01]

nice results, I'll wait for the stereo version though

 

[AudioJester]

WaveForming only utilize subwoofers; no speakers involved (they are still handled by normal Trinnov Optimizer). Trinnov and Dirac uses completely different technologies here; not saying one is doing it wrong - but they are not equal in any way. What I do know is that WaveForming is much more forgiving of the room and layout.

For my setup, no acoustic treatment at all for the low frequencies. Normal livingroom, with an open area to kitchen and home office to the left; wall with windows on right side - even here I get these results.

At least from my limited theoretical knowledge, Dirac ART can use all speakers with bass output as well as subs, as the more bass sources the more even the response acoss the room. Waveforming seems a more "take no prisoners" approach with 4 subs front wall and 4 subs back wall. Dirac ART will be easier to implement for the average home enthusiast who doesnt have capacity to cover walls with subs.

Both are great systems, but Trinnov and Storm audio (only current dirac art option) are both for the high end user, at least until cheaper options are available for the average punter.

 

[Oddball]

From my even more limited understanding, ART will not EQ below 20hz at this point (or last I checked), so while might work for some, might not work for others that spent $10 or 20k chasing the last octave below 20hz. Hopefully that could be fixed as otherwise the concept is interesting.

Waveforming is true and serious solution if one can implement it, but the crossover to towers of 80hz is what worries me. Not saying this would sound well, but just to check the box on the option, is it possible to run the Storm bass management with Waveforming like LFE+Main on D&M? So that you send the full range signal to bed channels (appropriately rolled off to support their true capabilities and does not push them beyond) and then send the same signal to LFE/subs at 50/60/70 hz, hopefully with a choice of filter for the subs?

 

[TGB]

You can set crossover at any frequency, however keep in mind that WaveForming only applies to subs.

 

[Fidji]

Not saying this would sound well, but just to check the box on the option, is it possible to run the Storm bass management with Waveforming like LFE+Main on D&M? So that you send the full range signal to bed channels (appropriately rolled off to support their true capabilities and does not push them beyond) and then send the same signal to LFE/subs at 50/60/70 hz, hopefully with a choice of filter for the subs?

Yes, you can do it all and even much more - Trinnov [and probably Storm too] allows you absolute flexibility. You can route signal in every speaker and sub [or more subs]. Look intp A;titude Manual - couple of pages. Compared to standard AVP it is on different level of potential adjustments.

At least from my limited theoretical knowledge, Dirac ART can use all speakers with bass output as well as subs, as the more bass sources the more even the response acoss the room. Waveforming seems a more "take no prisoners" approach with 4 subs front wall and 4 subs back wall. Dirac ART will be easier to implement for the average home enthusiast who doesnt have capacity to cover walls with subs. and

Both are great systems, but Trinnov and Storm audio (only current dirac art option) are both for the high end user, at least until cheaper options are available for the average punter.

Actually Trinnov as such is not,the biggest invest ~ you also need to throw tons of hardware in form of subs. But is worth it.
I agree ART will be more accessible, once Dirac will be able to roll out to more than just Storm. Had a chance to listen to ART setup ~ and while it was much better than nothing, it still did not sound naturally (for lack of better expression). Like singer’s voice corrected by Autotune.

 

[Fidji]

From my even more limited understanding, ART will not EQ below 20hz at this point (or last I checked), so while might work for some, might not work for others that spent $10 or 20k chasing the last octave below 20hz. ?

My subs roll off naturally below 9Hz.

But there is usually not much EQuing needed below 20Hz, as this is below first modal frequency of most of the rooms, so no real resonances or standig waves - and this is where Trinnov has come with Pressurisation - you basically use your subs below modal region as one big press for the air. It is quite special experience.