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The Slow Death and Rebirth of Intel

Intel is cutting jobs. TSMC.US might be happy to have more employees, well, referring previous reports of admirable working cultures. Anyway, after Mr. Gelsinger make his mind about whats the kernel profits/business, could be the moment to buy some stocks.

www.bloomberg.com

Intel to Cut Thousands of Jobs to Reduce Costs, Fund Turnaround

Intel Corp. plans to eliminate thousands of jobs to reduce costs and fund an ambitious effort to rebound from an earnings slump and market share losses.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
 
If you have the confidence Intel would not become Alcatel. I would wait for Mr. Gelsinger's wise decision.
 
How low long before the Windows 11 fiasco is exposed as a scheme to sell new computers.
 
Intel is at risk of being taken out of the Dow 30 due to it's low valuation.
 
Intel lost the battle when it failed to see how mobile computing required low heat solutions and make it an absolute priority. Hubris is a hard thing to recognize when you are a business leader but it will bring the company to its knees when your product is no longer relevant.
 
isnt the warranty extension kind of like the 'least expensive' option for them???

intel doesnt want to do any kind of recall given this is going to be major expensive... they probably cant even produce enough *NEW* 13/14 gen cpus to replace the ones out there

and so they are hoping m/b bios and microcode updates are enough to make current cpus not misbehave to a level where they need RMA

but very bad affected ones will get RMA... they cant avoid that

but ones that are kind of reliable under low power (say sub 150w) under the new updates are deemed 'ok'

I think Intel are ok with alienating the 'enthusiast' and limited professional market, ie non Xeon... that's something Intel can afford to lose?

To Intel I guess they feel there's enough mooks out there willing to buy high speed K series 15th gen enthusiast skus...
 
Regarding reports of issues with some 13/14th gen CPU's... a wrap up of the issue;
au.pcmag.com

Intel’s 'Raptor Lake' Desktop CPU Bug: What to Know, What to Do Now

Unstable 13th and 14th Gen Intel Core processors are raising lots of concerns for desktop owners. Here's the latest on what's happening—and what your next move should be.
au.pcmag.com au.pcmag.com
www.extremetech.com

Intel Faces Class Action Lawsuit Threat Over Raptor Lake CPU Bug

A law firm is now seeking class members for a possible lawsuit involving faulty Intel Raptor Lake processors.
www.extremetech.com www.extremetech.com


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amper42 said:
Intel lost the battle when it failed to see how mobile computing required low heat solutions and make it an absolute priority. Hubris is a hard thing to recognize when you are a business leader but it will bring the company to its knees when your product is no longer relevant.
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This sums it up. In a few years most new Windows computers will run on ARM technology chips, probably from Qualcomm. right now I wonder if there will be gaming capable laptops with lower power requirements than Nvidia GPU's or low end Laptops which lack the NPU required to do AI tasks onboard.

Considering the enormous energy requirements of the Nvidia data center processors, it would seem like finding a major breakthrough in power efficiency is a priority.
 
Ron Texas said:
This sums it up. In a few years most new Windows computers will run on ARM technology chips, probably from Qualcomm. right now I wonder if there will be gaming capable laptops with lower power requirements than Nvidia GPU's or low end Laptops which lack the NPU required to do AI tasks onboard.

Considering the enormous energy requirements of the Nvidia data center processors, it would seem like finding a major breakthrough in power efficiency is a priority.
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Yes, when Apple switched from Intel to their own processors that was a HUGE SIGN that Intel's product line was not the future. High heat CPUs are dinosaurs. Energy efficiency and cool running will be the future of tech - even AI.
 
amper42 said:
Yes, when Apple switched from Intel to their own processors that was a HUGE SIGN that Intel's product line was not the future. High heat CPUs are dinosaurs. Energy efficiency and cool running will be the future of tech - even AI.
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There are fundamental limits that cause high TDP in high performance processors. That's why the industry began the move to multicore in 2005. Apple's move away from Intel to its own ARM-based M1 is more about controlling its own destiny.

As for Nvidia, I don't see how you put one of their high performance GPUs, which dissipate up to 200W, into a laptop without melting it.

By comparison, the TDP of the Intel Core i5-10210U, which is a 1.6 GHz, four-core laptop processor, is 15W.
 
teched58 said:
Apple's move away from Intel to its own ARM-based M1 is more about controlling its own destiny.
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Thank you, I've been procrastinating posting something similar for a while now.
Was anyone really surprised that Apple is going back to a proprietary CPU?
The only time I was surprised was when they switched to Intel back in1993 or 4?
It's Apples total history to lock everyone out of their platforms.
 
Sal1950 said:
Thank you, I've been procrastinating posting something similar for a while now.
Was anyone really surprised that Apple is going back to a proprietary CPU?
The only time I was surprised was when they switched to Intel back in1993 or 4?
It's Apples total history to lock everyone out of their platforms.
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Hey Sal, slight corrections to the above. The transition to Intel happened in 2005. Prior to that they used PowerPC, made by IBM and/or Motorola. Prior to that they used the Motorola 68K family. So the ARM transition of 2021 for the computers is their first ever use of a "proprietary" (is ARM really proprietary?) processor. And many would argue that architectural commonality with their primary products, phones and tablets, combined with the flatlining of Intel processor advancement during the 2010's, had almost as much to do with the transition as power consumption considerations.

Just sayin'
 
middlemarch said:
Hey Sal, slight corrections to the above. The transition to Intel happened in 2005. Prior to that they used PowerPC, made by IBM and/or Motorola. Prior to that they used the Motorola 68K family. So the ARM transition of 2021 for the computers is their first ever use of a "proprietary" (is ARM really proprietary?) processor. And many would argue that architectural commonality with their primary products, phones and tablets, combined with the flatlining of Intel processor advancement during the 2010's, had almost as much to do with the transition as power consumption considerations.

Just sayin'
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Sales of desktops flatlined.
 
middlemarch said:
Hey Sal, slight corrections to the above.
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I'll take your word for it, I no Apple expert.
I always build Intel - Linux boxes here, just very glad I stuck with a 12th gen i7-12700K (12core 8P-4E) when I did this one last year.
 
Petrushka said:
Sales of desktops flatlined.
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Along with the "builders" market, except for the avid gamers, and a few of us old school media server builders.
 
Sal1950 said:
Along with the "builders" market, except for the avid gamers, and a few of us old school media server builders.
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Petrushka said:
Sales of desktops flatlined.
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The average consumers computational needs just don't require a desktop or even a laptop anymore, hell a lot of people don't need anything more than a phone!
 
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