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Speaker upgrade or should i keep my wharefedale speakers?

This i got from there website.

Sensitivity (dB @ 2.83V/1m) 84
IEC Power Handling (W) 160
Rated Impedance (Ohm) 6
Lower Cutoff (Hz @ +/- 3 dB) 47
Upper Cutoff (kHz @ +/- 3 dB) 23
You can test here. Note that the listening distance thing is only true in free space. Your listening room acts as a reverb chamber. More or less the same SPL regardless of listening distance. You can easily check that this is the case with a db meter.
Listening distance can play a role in extreme close listening and or a listening room treated so that it is almost similar to a anechoic chamber.

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So how accurate is this :)
It gives an indication.:)

I don't know with that calculator if it only calculates with one speaker? In that case:
Assuming the same power input, doubling the number of speakers will give you a 3dB increase in sound pressure level.


Then, for example, a tweeter that takes care of the highest frequencies does not need that much power. There is not much energy so high up in frequency. That's why so many tweeters "only" have a power handling of around 20-50 watts. No more is needed. A tweeter with low power, so as not to push it too hard: High crossover point and steep filter is the solution.

This may also be of interest:
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So how accurate is this :)
Speaker sensitivity is more like 82.7 not 84 for using that calculator

Those speakers are rated 6 ohm
Your spec is 2.83V/1m

Sensitivity (dB @ 2.83V/1m) 84

The calculator uses 1W/1M which is efficency not sensitivity

The conversation comes out to 82.7

Scroll down to use the efficency to sensitivity conversion tool before the spl calculator

Using the Benchmark calculator they would be 85.3

 
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In any case, active speakers, from good serious manufacturers,there they already have already solved power levels on amplifiers. It is set in relation to SPL. Like these that might suit TS?:

Our most compact Home Audio loudspeaker, the G One combines huge performance with beautiful aesthetics. Ideal for smaller spaces, it's perfect for computer sound, music playback or home theatre.
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Seems to cost around $700 for a pair. Needs to be added with sub. Unfortunately G One doesn't seem to have sub out though.


 
KEF LSX II LT?
Shouldent it be a downgrade smaller woofer and tweeter? Are there any measurements for the LSX II LT speakers?
Thanks for the suggestion they look nice.
 
Shouldent it be a downgrade smaller woofer and tweeter?
It's not all about tweeter and woofer size! Look in the Review Index and you'll see many smaller speakers rated more highly than larger speakers.
 
Shouldent it be a downgrade smaller woofer and tweeter? Are there any measurements for the LSX II LT speakers?
Thanks for the suggestion they look nice.
I concur with earlier advice given that the main thing you can do to improve the sound is placing the speakers on stands and minimise early reflection points.

Having heard the ls50 I very much doubt the lsx would be an upgrade to you. It depends if you value accuracy and image over bass extension and effortless sound imo.

You could give Revel a try or Genelec. I have Genelec 8030 on my desk and I love them. Still a matter of taste and preferences if you consider it an upgrade. What I value in the Genelecs is that they have an effortless sound and play all kinds of recordings well, even ones that are not well recorded sound ok.

The asr review of the wharfedales gives nice insight into which speakers could be an upgrade and in which area: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...wharfedale-diamond-12-1-review-speaker.26780/
 
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Having heard the ls50 I very much doubt the lsx would be an upgrade to you...
Others suggest it might be, at least for the OPs near-field circumstance, e.g:

"... the LSX honestly sound better in a near-field setup. The imaging is more precise, and it feels like voices and instruments have more room to breathe...
  • I expected the LSX to sound thinner than the LS50W, but they're actually slightly warmer. Bass impact is surprisingly similar... most people won't need a sub...
  • But treble on the LSX feels just a little more laid back...
  • The LSX has truly wonderful imaging. Again, I think better than the LS50W when placed about 4 or 5 feet apart..."

 
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I recommand removing any empty cylindrical beer tins as they function as omnidirectional resonators which spoil the stereo image.
 
I recommand removing any empty cylindrical beer tins as they function as omnidirectional resonators which spoil the stereo image.
usually i have 2 cans, it gives a better live soundstage all around.
 
Most "usual" Hifi speaker try to make great bass out of small volume and tiny drivers. The downside, this doesn't help with midrange reproduction. The moment you add a subwoofer and high pass them (most important!), this doesn't matter for you. So with more expensive, small speakers, you will pay for something you don't need.
This is why I would skip HIFI and go for near field monitors. They are what you want. Such "Pro speaker" are even much less expensive than HIFI stuff and often come active, eliminating passive crossover components degrading the sound.

Someone mentioned your less than optimal placement of components on your desk that you don't want to change. Maybe just give it a try, so you realize what you are missing. You may be surprised.
 
I would say that you have the equipment for a great near-field set up. You also have correction software. I do wonder about your reluctance to make changes to the environment, like moving the pc tower. I think you could improve your listening experience by implementing the suggestions made by others in this thread. If nothing else, I would definitely at least try the suggestions. You can always put it all back the way it is!
 
you ask my about how i listen to music, here is a short video of the setup playing.
@Koeitje already said my first thought, which is that listening so close then near field monitors make more sense than any home speakers.
http://kaliaudio.com, Genelec, maybe Behringer. The top stuff in this category seem to be active; if you want to keep using your amp then something with concentric mid/tweet like ELAC or KEF would be best since the woofer-tweeter like you have now will have peaks and dips at such a close listening position.
I too would also want to experiment getting the PC tower the hell away from right next to the speaker. And I try rotating the sub 90 degrees to right smack next to the wall...actually I'd also want to try it right in the corner, moving the file cabinet to the left.
 
So how accurate is this
Any speaker-in-a-room calculator will be off by two factors:
- The algorithm's assumption of how much the room reverberation increases SPL and most of all
- How much the manufacturer is exaggerating the speaker sensitivity.
 
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So how accurate is this :)
Reasonably, but also depends on accuracy of the parameters (particularly sensitivity).
Speaker sensitivity is more like 82.7 not 84 for using that calculator

Those speakers are rated 6 ohm
Your spec is 2.83V/1m

Sensitivity (dB @ 2.83V/1m) 84

The calculator uses 1W/1M which is efficency not sensitivity

The conversation comes out to 82.7

Scroll down to use the efficency to sensitivity conversion tool before the spl calculator

Using the Benchmark calculator they would be 85.3

Efficiency is generally expressed as a percentage rather than the same thing, sensitivity, being expressed at 2.83V at 1m (2.83V being 1 watt at 8 ohm)
 
I have "Thought" about getting rid of my 12.1s also at times, but then after looking a lot, realized, the Wharfedale just sound so good and neutral, it would be quite hard to make any significant improvement unless simply going a a much larger or completely different type of speaker.

Not to say they are perfect or ideal, as they are very limited in deep bass and in overall output level, but MOST speakers of this size are also, due to Hoffmans law of size etc.

I did consider the Ascend Acoustics Sierra and the Kef Concerto Q Meta, but after a lot of debating, realized, they might be a "bit" better in some key ways, but will not drastically change my overall sound, as I use a sub for most of the bass anyways.
 
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