Single Driver needs for different purposes

[songOVERsound]

This is going to be strange for most of you.

To put into simple terms, I’m looking for a set of speakers to take place of some like this

Robot or human?

Those Laney speakers would do the job, but if I’m going to spend that money, I want the speakers to have use-age otherwise, too for audio work in general and listening. May as well be stereo. I will want these speakers to adapt to different needs like a “B” set of monitors for my studio

This is a trend in the guitar players world out there today. They call it FRFR: Full Range Flat Response.

Basically mic’d guitar speaker cabinet is turned into an impulse response, then played through “monitors” be that studio monitors, PA speakers, or these FRFR speakers, that are kind of a gimmick in my eye.

I will be using them to monitor guitar playing. Guitar speakers frequency response is as such (see picture of graph of Celestion V30 speaker)

Notice it drops off above 5K: the beaming issue is a bit different with electric guitar speakers

Whichever speakers I go with, they will have to be point source - either coaxial/dual concentric OR better to match a guitar speaker cab: single driver speaker. Needs to have good horizontal and vertical directivity.

Important: there can’t be any DSP unless the delay is under 1 ms

Speakers I’ve looked at so far

DMAX super cube 5: these would be great but the DSP is 7 ms

MOFI sourcepoint 10: these are probably the best option so far, as they have the physical aesthetic that is close to a guitar speaker, but they are too expensive also needing an amp.

GR-research LGK 2.1: these might work. Crossing over below 200 hz is acceptable. Getting 4 of these and making a wall of sound could be fun. However, I don’t know if I want to support this company based on the way they deal with cables. Expensive cables and extension cords are a red flag to me as I am an electrician and it goes against my ethics

Aura-tones and other cube speakers would be a last resort

I posted a similar thread on GS and they basically said I was crazy (I don’t disagree)

 

[norman bates]

Try diyaudio, full range driver forum

Full Range

www.diyaudio.com

Not much happens on the weekends.......

 

[songOVERsound]

Try diyaudio, full range driver forum

Full Range

www.diyaudio.com

Not much happens on the weekends.......

I certainly will browse through there, thanks

 

[norman bates]

Np.

Definitely ask there.

But we are quite subjective there.

 

[songOVERsound]

Alright,

Made thread there and also included Geithain RL906 as a contender

 

[voodooless]

The speaker you linked isn’t a single driver speaker. It a 12” woofer + 1” compression driver.

By that measure, any active speaker would do…

 

[fpitas]

The speaker you linked isn’t a single driver speaker. It a 12” woofer + 1” compression driver.

By that measure, any active speaker would do…

Yup. Not even coaxial:

Loaded with a pair of vertically spaced, custom-voiced 12" drivers and a 1" LaVoce Compression driver

 

[songOVERsound]

The speaker you linked isn’t a single driver speaker. It a 12” woofer + 1” compression driver.

By that measure, any active speaker would do…

I tried to make it less confusing by referring to the celestion V30 and actual guitar speakers, which is single driver. But most of my examples are not single driver, including the LGK 2.1

I suppose I could rephrase it to: good horizontal and vertical directivity and point source type of sound with no latency - no crossover in midrange is a bonus

 

[fpitas]

I tried to make it less confusing by referring to the celestion V30 and actual guitar speakers, which is single driver. But most of my examples are not single driver, including the LGK 2.1

I suppose I could rephrase it to: good horizontal and vertical directivity and point source type of sound with no latency - no crossover in midrange is a bonus

If that makes you happy. It's simply an audiophile myth. Some of the finest speakers made cross in the midrange. For example, the Salon2 at 575Hz.

 

[songOVERsound]

If that makes you happy. It's simply an audiophile myth. Some of the finest speakers made cross in the midrange. For example, the Salon2 at 575Hz.

I can’t disagree with that

However, a bit out of my price range and I don’t know that it would have the point source type of characteristics, particularly vertical in that case.

Obviously I would take just one of those over anything else mentioned but that price is a bit up there

 

[fpitas]

I can’t disagree with that

However, a bit out of my price range and I don’t know that it would have the point source type of characteristics, particularly vertical in that case.

Obviously I would take just one of those over anything else mentioned but that price is a bit up there

It was just an example that crossing in the midrange is perfectly doable.

 

[Timcognito]

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[songOVERsound]

Maybe I can display better examples through a graph rather than try to explain.

This graph demonstrates something that wouldn’t work because the vertical directivity is too narrow below 6k

 

[songOVERsound]

This is the sourcepoint 10 and would work great, but a bit spendy and I’d need an amp

Notice the vertical dispersion

Genelec “the ones” would be great but I can’t have the latency

 

[Timcognito]

Yeah but the drivers are BMR $35 each buy two and mount them 90 degs of each other, maybe.

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[Timcognito]

https://tectonicproaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/DML500-Rev-07-Jan-22.pdf

 

[ChrisG]

For what it's worth, I was providing sound for a show where the guitarist had brought a 1x12" "2000w" "FRFR" speaker. He had it positioned like a stage monitor, and I parked one of my monitors (older-model 350w 12" 2-way, powered by a Powersoft T304) next to it, which ended up with vocals, keys and bass running through it.

Throughout the show, he asked for more and more of his guitar out of my monitor. At the interval, he removed his speaker from the stage and just used mine. I asked if anything was wrong, and he just said that his speaker wasn't giving him enough output, and he was very happy with what he was getting out of mine.


It's not the only time I've noticed these FRFR speakers being seriously lacking in output, especially compared to the price, rated specs, etc.

My suggestion, then, would be to find a good active PA speaker with low latency. A few milliseconds is fine - remember, you've probably got 6-10ms of latency just from standing away from the speaker.

Chris