spiritofjerry
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Trying to listen for the bad sound.What is a faff?
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Trying to listen for the bad sound.What is a faff?
Subjective = Personal preference due to bias. The bias could be based on sight, reviews, cost, hearing ability, convinced by a friend, etc.
Objective = measured performance verified by independent measurements.
The real question in my mind is where better measurements make any difference to listening. I have a $200 piece of Schiit - Modius. Will spending 4 times the money on the better measuring Topping top of the line DAC make an audible difference? Chasing ultimate measured gear does make you somewhat of a gear-head.
One thing vinyl has going for it is improving the turntable-tonearm-cartridge-phono preamp chain does make a noticeable difference in playback. It may not be equal measurement wise to digital but at least if you are upgrading you can hear a difference. I suspect this is because the better vinyl playback approaches our hearing limits. Once you exceed that limit we are likely in Subjective territory where we convince ourselves of a difference.
If you spent you money on what you believed was a world class sports car and got one that wallowed in the turns like a hog and wouldn't go over 40 mph, I wouldn't call it obsessing if you weren't happy with the product.Do I care about it much if it sounds good to me, even if it measures like doo-doo? No. I just don't have the time on this earth to obsess over everything.
No offense meant, but I still don't understand why you come here? If you don't care how it measures and can't hear the differences I just don't understand your interest in any topics discussed here? Just confused by your post really.That's why I come here, takes the guesswork and faffing about out of the equation. Even then, I love some gear that I know measures poorly, and I still can't hear a difference.
I guess that's another mark against subjectivity
Thankfully, I'm not rich, and don't have the luxury to spend wads on gear. Considering I can buy a $40 DAC used that is audibly transparent, why should I?If you spent you money on what you believed was a world class sports car and got one that wallowed in the turns like a hog and wouldn't go over 40 mph, I wouldn't call it obsessing if you weren't happy with the product.
I don't care how gear measures if it sounds good, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the scientific study of audio. I didn't know that me enjoying listening to my $5 earbuds out of my Pixel 4 on my commute to the grocery store precludes my participation here. That seems unnecessarily elitist to suggest that I may enjoy listening to audio and also not want to understand more about it?No offense meant, but I still don't understand why you come here? If you don't care how it measures and can't hear the differences I just don't understand your interest in any topics discussed here? Just confused by your post really.
Personal is the point, so why listen to some reviewer who is basically still in their junior high creative writing class?Agreed. Graphs and accurate measurements are superior when comparing or analyzing data, but what it ultimately comes down to in terms of the actual listening experience, is your personal preference and taste.
I mean, if you spent your entire life listening for the flaws and not listening to the music, I guess I would happily take the subjectivist badge as a compliment. I can't imagine doing such a thing.I guess that's another mark against subjectivity
I can't imagine not listening to the content as a primary goal rather than listening to the gear myself. I just found the faff thing a bit weird.I mean, if you spent your entire life listening for the flaws and not listening to the music, I guess I would happily take the subjectivist badge as a compliment. I can't imagine doing such a thing.
Continued participation in this thread has become a faff.I can't imagine not listening to the content as a primary goal rather than listening to the gear myself. I just found the faff thing a bit weird.
Didn't mean to offend, I just don't understand things sometimes.Thankfully, I'm not rich, and don't have the luxury to spend wads on gear. Considering I can buy a $40 DAC used that is audibly transparent, why should I?
I don't care how gear measures if it sounds good, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the scientific study of audio. I didn't know that me enjoying listening to my $5 earbuds out of my Pixel 4 on my commute to the grocery store precludes my participation here. That seems unnecessarily elitist to suggest that I may enjoy listening to audio and also not want to understand more about it?
All that sounds like a faff, really. I don't have the time or patience to go about listening for microdetails to determine what's good. That's why I come here, takes the guesswork and faffing about out of the equation. Even then, I love some gear that I know measures poorly, and I still can't hear a difference.
Pretty sure it means "fart" in British English.What is a faff?
Considering I can buy a $40 DAC used that is audibly transparent, why should I?
Who would do such a thing? That would spoil the whole point of listening to music?I mean, if you spent your entire life listening for the flaws and not listening to the music,
Measurements don't dictate the listening experience... they dictate what products one should shortlist if looking to purchase. That's totally separate to actually listening to audio.I guess the real question is, how far should we allow graphs, measurements and hard science to dictate the listening experience and how much merit should be attributed to the subjective perception of the individual i.e audiophile?
Perhaps, but the whole Hi-Rez bamboozle makes money off of underinformed consumers and does nothing to address the real problem which is sucking the life out of recordings. I would much rather have 2 48/24 cuts than some 384/32 version--one that has been shat on and intended for general consumption, and the other that resembles something that reflects just the slightest appreciation for dynamics, sound staging, artistic integrity and recording excellence generally.Disk space is so cheap now, it's not even worthy debating.
Been listening to that drivel for more years than I wish to remember.If we are asking who is right, shouldn't we get some subjectivist feedback as well?
Easy one:
objectivists are objectively right.
subjectivists are subjectively right.
Everyone is happy. Case settled.