It's just the opposite. The fact you stated (marked red) clearly demonstrates the all the scientific results about human hearing are true, otherwise it would not be possible to create any lossy codec in the first place. What I don't understand is why people take those scientific results for granted and others not (like the well known fallabilities of human hearing and how to overcome them).I prefer the lossless PCM or DSD but the lossy coded streams can also create a good 3D natural image of the sound depending on the setup.
It might approve a statement we are far from understanding our perception.
No, you did not mention measurements and a statement in blind belief in them.
I was just stating my current perception.
So you can see that your current perception may not be accurate, even as it relates to this conversation So why insist on it?
Hi pkane,
Did not mean to insist, just interested in your perception (although this one might also not be accurate .....)
I'm not trying to prove anything to you, I just hope that you can start to see outside the standard audiophile dogma. Realize that you can question it and come up with your own answers. Don't automatically accept the common arguments and marketing nonsense. This applies equally well to the blind belief in measurements.
Zui - try a blinded & level matched listening test of 2 DACs - easy to do if you own a pre-amp
It's just the opposite. The fact you stated (marked red) clearly demonstrates the all the scientific results about human hearing are true, otherwise it would not be possible to create any lossy codec in the first place. What I don't understand is why people take those scientific results for granted and others not (like the well known fallabilities of human hearing and how to overcome them).
Let's not fool ourselves;
That "some of us" believe they must refer to testable results is also no less and no more then a personal perception.
Hi BDWoody,
Please get out of this role as the victim and the insulted one.
Still also this maintains only to be personal perspectives with an outcome that is shared by a majority. So it "works"
Seems to me that you are either not hearing or not understanding what's being said. Did I mention measurements or state my blind belief in them?
Hi Wes,
I do not like the blind thing, might get electrocuted during swapping in my crowded setup
Enjoy longer term experiences and comparisons at home so I can keep my eyes open
I was under the impression that it's been "known" since at least the '50's?
Indeed, however, I have moved that reply to the thread it belonged in. I'm not sure how it got here.
If you can repeat your "(repeatable) hearing results" in a properly controlled test, then you've accomplished something.
Hi pkane,
I'm sure I can repeat my hearing results but as you probably can't hear the same as I do then why bother ? Once again, I don't need a properly controlled test to accomplish anything. Just have to convince myself to believe isn't it ? I don't need the current insufficient audio science to do this.
Until then, you are much more likely fooling yourself and others when you declare that your perception is in any way valid.
Think you missed the most important point that (from my perspective) a personal perception is the truth for everyone. As for you I take this is based on understandable scientific results. Can we agree on this ?
That is, frankly, nonsense. Please learn what "testable" means in the context of the scientific method. Your claim flat-out denies the existence of any external truth whatsoever, which is completely down the road to solipsism.
By the way, you do realize your first line is an extreme, vile insult to a scientist, don't you?
Think you missed the most important point that (from my perspective) a personal perception is the truth for everyone. As for you I take this is based on understandable scientific results. Can we agree on this ?
Well, if we have to discuss existential philosophy, then yes, everything is subjective and perception based. In fact, you are, as are all of your opinions and posts. You exist and manifest yourself only in my mind, and I have no way to prove your real, external to me, existence in any way whatsoever. I have a logical proof that I exist, but not anyone else. This seems to be the logical conclusion of this 'most important point' that I missed.
Hi pkane,
I like this general introduction but what is your personal statement/conclusion ?