Magico M9

[fineMen]

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T.H.I.S. is intended to please O.N.E. person alone mostly, right?

I rather spend my cash for getting to the music hall every other day lifelong and meet people--I could, possibly, like

 

[Jason K]

Just curious, what speaker is that? Vandersteen? Something active with DSP?

Dunlavy SC VI

 

[Jason K]

T.H.I.S. is intended to please O.N.E. person alone mostly, right?

I rather spend my cash for getting to the music hall every other day lifelong and meet people--I could, possibly, like

It was HiFi Shop.
And the cost is valued varing by person.
Someone who can buy them, He or She must have done what you're saying already haha.
I just satisfied for I saw and heard them.

 

[kongwee]

I dun mind Dunlavy SC VI in my home. If living in $2 million mansion, I doubt about Dunlavy SC VI can throw that SPL as good as M9. Look at the power handling. It is not the same level.

 

[PatentLawyer]

Dunlavy SC VI

Thanks, makes sense.

 

[FeddyLost]

Mid and High can be good at small speakers too, but the midbass to sub-bass is not easy to get realism.
M9's those range was unexperienced sound. Obviously highend.

With all this CH P it might be an unobtanium setup for almost anyone.
Most interesting question for me is a proper room construction as with such investments i'd not like to spoil possible LF performance with any compromise.

PS Looks like some wise fan of live opera understood that lockdown will never end and decided to stay home in comfort.

 

[bkatbamna]

T.H.I.S. is intended to please O.N.E. person alone mostly, right?

I rather spend my cash for getting to the music hall every other day lifelong and meet people--I could, possibly, like

The problem with this is that I want to hear the old war horses like Pictures At an Exhibition and orchestras many times play crap new stuff.
Also, I want to hear the Fritz Reiner version. Tell me which music hall you are going to be able to hear that at.
I'd buy these if I was a billionaire. Why not? If I was a billionaire, I could buy one of these a year just from the interest income on my investments, I wouldn't actually have to spend any of the billion I had. And I'd have a smart tax lawyer figure out a way this could be a business expense and deduct the cost from my taxable income.

 

[bkatbamna]

The person who is going to buy them is probably a lifelong audiophile and this is their end game speakers. I say congratulations to whoever buys them, very happy for the owner.
edit...Just saw that this pair was installed in a stereo showroom.

 

[Frgirard]

Just curious, what speaker is that? Vandersteen? Something active with DSP?

Psi audio do that with an analog crossover.
I do that for 0 pesos with rePhase.

 

[Thomas_A]

I don't mind that people buy speakers like this despite their price, they seem to perform. If I had the space and the money, Ino Audio i68es monitors (4x8.5-inch woofers per channel) with Infra-12 (12x10-inch subs) would be my "dream system" . But since I would use a fraction of their capacity, I would probably end up with a cheaper and smaller system.

 

[lemnoc]

You really are hating on Magico in general. Is it argumentum ad Lazarum?

I'm guessing you are after an idealised time-coincident step response, which requires digital signal processing (certain active speakers implement this) or physically offset drivers (less precise off-axis). The graph you've presented is a time-coherent step response, which is absolutely not "as bad as this". You can see no crossover or resonance glitches, diffractions or other odd behaviour, so it's actually a very good example of its type. Atkinson's accompanying text:


Note also that audibility of time-coincident versus time-coherent implementations is hardly settled. Reviews here don't demand the former as a key attribute. In the example you've used, we see around a quarter millisecond delay from tweeter to mid (that's the cycle time for the frequency 4 kHz) if I'm reading it correctly. Are you hearing that?

Well you would too if you paid 700k for a step response like that and a half-arsed active crossover built around a passive crossover ! And you don't even get an amplifier thrown in with the mix but hey somehow driving a passive crossover with lots of current must be better than doing it at line level and that's why you pay 700k for the privilege

 

[Purité Audio]

It is interesting why Magico and the other ‘hi-end’ manufacturers don’t adopt perfect step/group/phase/dsp etc why is that do you suppose?
Keith

 

[Mart68]

It is interesting why Magico and the other ‘hi-end’ manufacturers don’t adopt perfect step/group/phase/dsp etc why is that do you suppose?
Keith

because step/group/phase are not that relevant and the end user can add his own DSP solution anyway?

 

[Purité Audio]

It isn’t just those factors though, they could choose to make a constant directivity/cardioid/dsp/built in EQ along the lines of the Beolab 90, which would bring tangible improvements in sound quality rather than fiddle with box/drivers, diamond/graphene/
Is it their prospective demographic, pressure from retailers who still want to sell cables and amplifier upgrades?
Keith

 

[Matias]

It isn’t just those factors though, they could choose to make a constant directivity/cardioid/dsp/built in EQ along the lines of the Beolab 90, which would bring tangible improvements in sound quality rather than fiddle with box/drivers, diamond/graphene/
Is it their prospective demographic, pressure from retailers who still want to sell cables and amplifier upgrades?
Keith

Actives just don't sell. Customers are a fraction of the total speaker market. Too much conservative I guess.

 

[Mart68]

It isn’t just those factors though, they could choose to make a constant directivity/cardioid/dsp/built in EQ along the lines of the Beolab 90, which would bring tangible improvements in sound quality rather than fiddle with box/drivers, diamond/graphene/
Is it their prospective demographic, pressure from retailers who still want to sell cables and amplifier upgrades?
Keith

probably a mix of those reasons. So many speaker companies now that you have to know your market to sell any, especially as these days every speaker no matter how terrible seems to get positive reviews, except from this site.

 

[FeddyLost]

Psi audio do that with an analog crossover.

Based on a chain of op-amps and with not-so-perfect result.
They do it on a level of "acceptable tool" and not high-end at all. With significant phase shift at LF.

don’t adopt perfect step/group/phase/dsp etc why is that do you suppose?

Because it will throw them from high-end pinnacles into the very depth of banal industry and all the sacred shimmer will vanish.
I would expect at most possiblity of collaboration with some of DSP specialists by request like "pay twice and we'll make them fully active and make fine tuning in your room".

 

[Purité Audio]

Dealers would actually have to learn a little about room acoustics rather than ‘box shifting’, I think. i have mentioned before how the U.K. Kii disti doesn’t mention to his dealers that the Kii THREE now have built in PEQ and that I once received a pair back from a customer who had effectively turned off all the bass!
I guess less harm can come from just pushing speakers around the room to obtain the least worse result.
Keith

 

[lemnoc]

Actives just don't sell. Customers are a fraction of the total speaker market. Too much conservative I guess.

Well I don't think these are going to sell in huge numbers either LOL Just ask ATC whether or not they have a good business model selling actives ??

 

[Mart68]

Well I don't think these are going to sell in huge numbers either LOL Just ask ATC whether or not they have a good business model selling actives ??

ATC cover both bases though and Magico do a full range, the lower end of which is affordable to most people on professional grade salaries, albeit still in the 'big purchase you have to think about' category.