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Is Old Music Killing New Music?
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I did a cursory search…
https://medium.com/mlearning-ai/adeles-lyrics-analysis-in-r-dbca81a80487 which led me to https://towardsdatascience.com/text-analysis-of-successful-song-lyrics-e41a4ccb26f5
Finally I found https://word.tips/singers-vocabularies/
Some interesting observations to digest.
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Indeed. I occasionally listen to the radio in the car. Here in Italy, even with a DJ, song after song is played with no mention of the artist or song title. I guess if I had a fancier stereo, the display would tell me the song being played. Not a great aid to road safety, especially with ageing eyesight!
Another take from an old millennial. Streaming makes it easy for me to find new music of the genre and sub genres I like and I don't like anything that would make the billboard charts. The curve of popularity has flattened and the tail is much longer and fatter than it used to be because the major labels and radio stations aren't gate keeping. This means fewer huge hits but lots of creative bands that previously would be playing local gigs and giving tapes to friends can have a worldwide audience that might number in the thousands.
see: The Long Tail
see: The Long Tail
Does this mean people are finally once again favoring music made by actual musicians playing actual instruments?
I mean I may have been wrong and it's odd to obsess on hearing one song on that topic, not as though there aren't many old tracks in similar vein. Anyway he seems to see using too many words as a problem not a good thing. If it was her maybe he'll give it another go given she's quite low on that list.
Interesting to see where some of the biggest legends are on that vocabularies list. Seems they very much found a formula and stuck with it for decades.
Also found it interesting that Bjork was so high given it's not her first language, but she does explore.
Not sure I've ever heard Steely Dan.
A list of artists who have sold of their song catalogues - Alan Cross
The music world is being shaken by the actions of a growing group of companies which are buying up the song catalogues of successful artists. The artist
www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com
Over a $Billion in the first 10 names. Money the music business could have spent developing new artists. Get ready to hear more of these and less new music. A total shift in the way music makes money will change the way music/artist is developed.
Recently i mentioned to me wife that probably 85% of the music that I like Is from artists that are dead for the better part of the last 20 years.
I'm 35 years old but when young people mention bands, I dont know most of them.. or when I do it's only by name.
I'm 35 years old but when young people mention bands, I dont know most of them.. or when I do it's only by name.
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That might well be a good thing. Bandcamp is hopefully the dominant future model for new artists as well as established, less well-known names. My purchasing of music is probably 80% now on bandcamp. I am still yet to make any foray into streaming services. I just don’t like the model vis-à-vis artist payments.A list of artists who have sold of their song catalogues - Alan Cross
The music world is being shaken by the actions of a growing group of companies which are buying up the song catalogues of successful artists. The artist
Over a $Billion in the first 10 names. Money the music business could have spent developing new artists. Get ready to hear more of these and less new music. A total shift in the way music makes money will change the way music/artist is developed.
It's because the old music is great, and the new music is shit.
Is Old Music Killing New Music?
All the growth in the music business now comes from old songs—with consumption of new music actually shrinking. How did we get here, and is there a way back?tedgioia.substack.com
This really isn't complicated.
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It’s like a veil has been lifted on my thought process! Even my wife noticed it from the other room.It's because the old music is great, and the new music is shit.
This really isn't complicated.
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Is Old Music Killing New Music?
All the growth in the music business now comes from old songs—with consumption of new music actually shrinking. How did we get here, and is there a way back?
Well that is a hot and rather wrong take.
2020 to 2021 streaming increase was about 15%.
Do you 50% of an 8" pizza, or 25% of a 16" pizza?
The share went down, but the pie got bigger, and based on the numbers, that tells me the number of streams of new music went up.
Of course, this is also about simple demographic and usage changes. As more older people get into streaming, of course more of the older catalog is going to be streamed compared to new songs. The pie is getting bigger, it does not mean new songs are not being listened to at all.
Or put another way, man who doesn't understand math, statistics or demographics as applied to a market makes a video.
Here is a list of the top streamed songs on Spotify of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-streamed_songs_on_Spotify
How many are more than 10 years old? Almost none. Ed Sheeran is making some serious coin, even with the low per stream payment and overhead to all the hands in the pocket.
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It's because the old music is great, and the new music is shit.
This really isn't complicated.
The real question is why? Did talent disappear, I don't think so. Part of the answer is in my last post, music business dosn't spend the money it use to to find and develop new artists. And they want instant success, where many of these great old bands took 2 or 3 albums to get a hit but the labels kept supporting them anyway. Today many of them would dissapear after there first album and no one would know them.
Nah not realy IMO. I'am 62 i like the old stuff but man there is lots going on with new music that inspires me more than the old stuff.Is Old Music Killing New Music?
All the growth in the music business now comes from old songs—with consumption of new music actually shrinking. How did we get here, and is there a way back?
To name a few i realy like Ghostpoet, Kamaal Williams, Alfa Mist, Makaya Mccraven, Snark Puppy an i could go on. Fresh new interpetations that give my neurons fresh pheromons for thought.
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Music reached its zenith on 13 April, 1742. Seventeen years and one day later, the decline began. There were a few welcome plateaus along the way before the precipice, and then the lych bell was loudly tolled in the 20th century. Now we're at the zombie stage, I think. At least there are recordings to help humanity's remnants survive until Apollo and Calliope bring forth another Orpheus, or he returns once more from the Underworld!
BINGO, give that man the main prize.
Modern "music" has been the victory of rhythm over melody. Much of it created by computer.
Rap and hip-hop, along with the copied style in much of whats contained in other genre's, is simply not MUSIC
Why all the words, guess, they're setting the rhythm. Along with spit-popping into a mic. LOL
Well yea, kind of. Who wants or needs to go thru all the trouble of learning to play a musical instrument today, not in any way necessary. You can be a super star and make a billion without ever having picked up an instrument.
But all that rhythm'd noise leaves a whole in the body & soul of music.
Why has Classical music lived on for hundred of years?
Music IS made by actual musicians playing actual instruments.
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