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Is 2020, Audeze LCD-2 Classic / LCD2C Share your thoughts, should improve, measurements and guide.

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Hi guys, let us share measurements of our LCD2C whether is stock, modded or pads rolled. Whats your best pairing gears with it. Give us your thoughts of the sound signature you like or wish to have in LCD2C. Leave your tips, your guide and your opinion on modding this dark horses.

Let me start by sharing with you guys mine.

Modded:
1. Added Fazors
2. Replaced foam dust cover with Speaker Mesh Screens
3. Previously with Dekoni Elite Velour, Now with ZMF Auteur Perforated Suede Pads
4. Full dampening surrounding inner and outer cups
5. Dyson SPOCC Cables with Furutech Rhodium 4 Pin XLR Connector

Pairing:
Full Balanced
1. Topping D90
2. Monoprice THX887 (Gain 2)
Full Silver Plated interconnected cables

Pros:
1. Lesser sub bass (i think 2C have adequate quality/quantity even after it is dip).
2. Stronger punch and slam mid bass.
3. Remove all muddiness. Much less reflection of sound.
4. Mid range are raise to provide even clearer presentation of Vocals and instruments.
5. More neutral sounding. Better highs extension. Brighter. Not as dark. Still smooth. Very detailed.
6. More Open and airy. Wider stage and natural. Larger sound scale.
7. No Harshness, very balanced. All rounder.
8. Comfortable and soft without itchiness and sweat.
9. Volume needed are lower now.

Cons:
1. Pads may be not angled enough. (ZMF pads) So sound may present closer to you.
2. Slam and punch may be too strong for some tracks.

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Measured with miniDSP EARS. May not be as accurate it can be but the difference are too easy to tell with both pads rolled.
Hope you enjoy my short sharing.
 

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As I understand it, swapping pads with these is a huge headache involving glue and stuff (correct me if I'm wrong). So there is no quick swapping to one pair and back to compare (like in Focal headphones), therefore not worth it.

The only physical modification I did was to add Dekoni nuggets to the bottom of the head strap to make it way more comfortable.

Sound-wise, all the fixes are just DSP, using EQ APO. Here are the basic filters:
Preamp: 0.9 dB
Filter: ON LSC 12 dB Fc 130 Hz Gain 2.3 dB
Filter: ON PK Fc 550 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 0.4
Filter: ON PK Fc 3500 Hz Gain 1 dB Q 0.7
Filter: ON HSC 12 dB Fc 10000 Hz Gain -3 dB

And on top of that, I'm experimenting with applying crossfeed, so far with positive results. I use a custom filter chain:
Preamp: -0.3 dB
Copy: L2=L R2=R
Channel: L2 R2
Filter: ON HSC 6 dB Fc 1000 Hz Gain -18 dB
Copy: L=0dB*L+-13.0dB*R2 R=0dB*R+-13.0dB*L2
Channel: L R
Filter: ON LSC 6 dB Fc 400 Hz Gain -1.5 dB

I tried the Audeze Reveal plugin, but it just sounded worse.
 
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As I understand it, swapping pads with these is a huge headache involving glue and stuff (correct me if I'm wrong). So there is no quick swapping to one pair and back to compare (like in Focal headphones), therefore not worth it.

The only physical modification I did was to add Dekoni nuggets to the bottom of the head strap to make it way more comfortable.

Sound-wise, all the fixes are just DSP, using EQ APO. Here are the basic filters:
Preamp: 0.9 dB
Filter: ON LSC 12 dB Fc 130 Hz Gain 2.3 dB
Filter: ON PK Fc 550 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 0.4
Filter: ON PK Fc 3500 Hz Gain 1 dB Q 0.7
Filter: ON HSC 12 dB Fc 10000 Hz Gain -3 dB

And on top of that, I'm experimenting with applying crossfeed, so far with positive results. I use a custom filter chain:
Preamp: -0.3 dB
Copy: L2=L R2=R
Channel: L2 R2
Filter: ON HSC 6 dB Fc 1000 Hz Gain -18 dB
Copy: L=0dB*L+-13.0dB*R2 R=0dB*R+-13.0dB*L2
Channel: L R
Filter: ON LSC 6 dB Fc 400 Hz Gain -1.5 dB

I tried the Audeze Reveal plugin, but it just sounded worse.
Yes is pain in the ass you trying to change them, there are no quick change here. I changed them because my vegan pads begin to flakes. So is time to change some sound and test. What an upgrade to my ears. I don't do EQs though. I like changing physically. I'm a modder myself. So I probably know how it will turn out changing them. These are real fantastic headphone. They have lots of potential. Crazy good at their price.
 

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Very interesting! I'm in the market for new headphones and I immediately set my sights on the 2C which I very much enjoyed during audition, although maybe they were a bit -too- dark with some muddiness (moreso than my HD650 which I have been using for almost 15 years). I got into a slippery slope where I also tried the LCD-X which I thought was better all around (but felt like it was lacking openness plus jump up in price), but then I tried the LCD-4 and loved it even more. So I'm in a dilemma and don't know what to get now, or if I can justify the price etc and that's just what I'm been trying from Audeze.

Perhaps I can go back to considering the LCD-2C or LCD-X and consider some of the pad rolling
 
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Is your fazor 3d-printed?
Yup those are Printed. Well it all depends on what you are willing to pay. As for me, the best sound with less money I could get and the perfect sound for my preference. I like the 2C openness, laid back yet great forward vocals, best low end, wide and ofcoz this also share the same design with the flagship. No lacking on build quality. So given the price and the most cheapest on it's range, Its no brainer for me. X for me is too narrow and intimate, but a friend of mine own 2018 revision they are laid back at least on graph but I've yet to try them. 2020 revision though with the new dust cover totally block out the sound doesn't seem good, there's YouTube review too saying is weird sounding. But not for me to judge them. You have to try them yourself. LCD 4 is in another price league. Does it justify the price tag, I don't know. Is best to demo them 1st because is not easily you can resale them. Limited buyer. As for 2C, I would pad roll them immediately without thinking. The muddiness just not good. After pad roll everything is clear up. Hope my measurements can help you a little too.
 

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Thanks for your input. Does the new LCD-2C and also LCD-X revision not also have the new silver mesh under the grille ('dust cover')?
 
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Thanks for your input. Does the new LCD-2C and also LCD-X revision not also have the new silver mesh under the grille ('dust cover')?
Oh yeah....they share the same. Damn.
 

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I found the same thing as you when I tried these headphones (tried them all at a shop for many hours) but they were the older revision. I loved the X but I found it a bit too forward and intimate, it wasn't bad but I feel like it would get fatiguing with longer listening times. The X driver had more detail, resolution, speed than the 2C across the audible range.

I'm still on the fence about what Audeze cans to buy. I really liked the comfort, build, and openness of the Mr speakers cans, but something wasn't right about the sound to me. If Audeze was able to get the LCD-4 sound in an Ether 2-like chassis I would buy it regardless of the price.
 
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From X onward...the weight just too heavy for me personally, Hate the swinging effect when i move or turn. Also due to the pads are too thick. makes the heavy cups away and further expand out the weight. Bad design imo. If you pay that much of money in the end getting a half and hour or less comfort listening, just not right. Well that is just my preference.
 
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Did myself a closed back version. They may not sound as natural but something different which I enjoy too.
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