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Huge dip between 40 to 55 Hz

kirankasa

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Hello All,

I am trying to find best location for my subwoofer position in my room .
Size: 11 feet * 11 feet

There is huge dip between 40 to 55 and 60 to 80 hz.

Is getting a second sub is the only option in my case?
I have tried various locations in my room but i am unable to get a decent response.
Please advice. Thanks.
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Suggest you try REW's room simulator and see what the effect of getting a second sub will do.

Also, is it 11 feet or 11 meters? It's either a tiny room or a massive one.
It’s a tiny room.
 
11 ft. x 11 ft. results in the first dip. With the room being symmetrical, it probably makes the dip more severe, i.e., one large dip from the parallel walls as opposed to two smaller ones.

With the second dip, I'm guessing your ceiling is 8 ft.

I second Keith-W's suggestion to model two subwoofers in your room using REW to see how much adding a second subwoofer will help.

Implementing room correction or equalization also will help.
 
If it is possible try moving the seating even a foot. Dips from from room modes don't happen everywhere in the room and you might just be in a bad spot, worth a try if possible.
 
If it is possible try moving the seating even a foot. Dips from from room modes don't happen everywhere in the room and you might just be in a bad spot, worth a try if possible.
I tried that. I have only two recliners. Even tried different sub placements but that dip is moved slightly above 50 to 60.
 
I was stupid, i took those measurements at different placements when Dirac was on. Now i turned it off and found relatively better placement.
 

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What is the response to the right of 200 hz? You either have a big dip above 150 hz or your sub is way too loud.
 
Are you using a crossover to the sub? If so, what frequency? Have you tried adjusting the sub's phase and/or delay?
 
Are you using a crossover to the sub? If so, what frequency? Have you tried adjusting the sub's phase and/or delay?
I am using 90 crossover. Phase and delay is managed by Dirac Bass control.
 
I do have Dirac. I thought that we should not allow Room Eq to correct such dips.
I use DSP and it works great for my purposes, CamillaDSP in my office and a miniDSP HTx in the family room.

When using PEQs, I take steps to prevent clipping of the low level signals going to the amplifiers.

In my family room I have multiple preset configurations. The preset for broad coverage in the room uses Dirac Live without PEQs in the bass region. The preset for when I am seated in my listening chair does not use Dirac Live, but instead exclusively uses PEQs, with numerous PEQs set for the bass region.

When tuning with the PEQs, I set the subwoofer gain in my HTx to somewhere around -10 dB. The subwoofer volume knob is in the 4/10 position. Before EQ the largest bass dip is about 6 dB below my target curve, but on average the bass is well above the target curve. Because the gain in the HTx is -10 dB and at most I am adding 6 dB with PEQ to get a flat bass response, the net gain in the digital realm is less than 0 dB. So no clipping occurs. I have a Velodyne HGS-18 subwoofer, and it is not even breaking a sweat at the loudest volume levels to which I listen. The THD is well below 1% down to 30 Hz, and not too bad below that (it is hard to tell for sure because the walls, and things on the walls, are shaking so much that they are contributing to the THD measurement).

For my office, while I am equalizing I monitor CamillaDSP for clipping. If clipping occurs, I reduce the gain in ALSA. I currently have the master gain set to 96 and the capture gain set to 92. That is adequate to prevent any clipping of the low level signals. Of course, I need to add more gain to the speakers to get the same volume level, but in my office I never play my speakers anywhere near loud enough to push them to their limit.
 
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Your room is small and square, which is terrible for modal behavior. Honestly, your response isn't bad at all for one subwoofer in such a space. I would see what the response is with centering the subwoofer on the front wall to at least minimize the first mode response in the left-right dimension. A few more thoughts:
1. It's OK to fill a partial null with some EQ (up to 6 dB or so, if your subwoofer has enough output capability).
2. That deep null at 78 Hz in your first graph is almost certainly inaudible.
3. If the first graph is with DIRAC engaged, you need to adjust your target -- you are neutering the bass significantly. You should have at least a 3dB/octave rise with decreasing frequency on the subwoofer.
 
I know someone who had similar problems, also in a small room. The bass never sounded right to him. I don't remember which auto-correction system he used, but he turned it off. He bought four SVS SB1000s which he got at a great price during a sale SVS ran. One SB1000 in each corner. He moved his L/R speakers out from the front wall as much as practical (they were originally nearly against the wall). I think he used an 80Hz crossover. Just adjusting the sub levels by ear, and all to the same level, resulted in sound he liked. He only measured (using my OmniMic) to get the bass to rise no more than 6db above the level at 500Hz. Sometimes a simple obvious solution is better than a lot of complex technology.
 
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