Decent Amp for my Perlisten R7t?

[Tomasrmon]

Hey guys!

Been following this forum for a while and it is just incredible the amount of data and objective information there is. I’m happy I found Audio Science Review.

Posting this to ask for some opinions and possible solutions for my setup.

Right now I’ve invested in the Perlisten R7t and I want to bring the max out of them. I’m really happy with it.

I’ll probably make a dedicated HT room and leave the 2ch in my living room but for now I have a Marantz Cinema 40 driving my 5.2 system with Dirac Live full bandwidth. I’m using the L/R preouts connected to a Rega Aethos driving the Perlistens. I use a Rega Planar 8 turntable and an Aria Prephono connected directly to the Aethos when I want to listen to vinyl.

I want to upgrade my system, keeping in mind that I’ll probably take my Marantz to the dedicated room and leave my Perlisten in the living room for 2ch listening.

I feel I could benefit upgrading my Aethos amplifier (125w seems thin for them, and I feel I could have more mid bass in them). I’ve been considering the Hegel 390 and the Nad M33. Both options would integrate nicely with my Marantz for now and would both work great as standalone when I remove it. The thing is most people here seem to dislike the H390 because of Amirm H95 review. It made me frown on it a little too. The only problem with the Nad for me is that it “only” has 200wpc and it digitises all the inputs for Dirac use. It doesn’t make sense for me to digitise the pure analogue signal from the turntable, although I’ve never tried it and don’t know if I’d hear the difference.

With that said, is there any other option you’d recommend for this setup? Unfortunately my pre outs aren’t XLR, it kinda limits me on some options. I could always change my AVR too…

Too many things, but would be nice to discuss this with someone! All the best to all

 

[Norcal]

Hey guys!

Been following this forum for a while and it is just incredible the amount of data and objective information there is. I’m happy I found Audio Science Review.

Posting this to ask for some opinions and possible solutions for my setup.

Right now I’ve invested in the Perlisten R7t and I want to bring the max out of them. I’m really happy with it.

I’ll probably make a dedicated HT room and leave the 2ch in my living room but for now I have a Marantz Cinema 40 driving my 5.2 system with Dirac Live full bandwidth. I’m using the L/R preouts connected to a Rega Aethos driving the Perlistens. I use a Rega Planar 8 turntable and an Aria Prephono connected directly to the Aethos when I want to listen to vinyl.

I want to upgrade my system, keeping in mind that I’ll probably take my Marantz to the dedicated room and leave my Perlisten in the living room for 2ch listening.

I feel I could benefit upgrading my Aethos amplifier (125w seems thin for them, and I feel I could have more mid bass in them). I’ve been considering the Hegel 390 and the Nad M33. Both options would integrate nicely with my Marantz for now and would both work great as standalone when I remove it. The thing is most people here seem to dislike the H390 because of Amirm H95 review. It made me frown on it a little too. The only problem with the Nad for me is that it “only” has 200wpc and it digitises all the inputs for Dirac use. It doesn’t make sense for me to digitise the pure analogue signal from the turntable, although I’ve never tried it and don’t know if I’d hear the difference.

With that said, is there any other option you’d recommend for this setup? Unfortunately my pre outs aren’t XLR, it kinda limits me on some options. I could always change my AVR too…

Too many things, but would be nice to discuss this with someone! All the best to all

The reason it would make 'sense' to digitize all the inputs is so that the Dirac room correction on the M33 can be used to help manage some of the negative acoustical effects induced by your room...

 

[Sillysilly]

I heard them hooked up to a Primaire combo by Perlisten themselves, really impressive combo.

 

[Tomasrmon]

I heard them hooked up to a Primaire combo by Perlisten themselves, really impressive combo.

You mean Primare? I love their designs. Still don’t know much about their products but will definitely look up

 

[Sal1950]

Been following this forum for a while and it is just incredible the amount of data and objective information there is. I’m happy I found Audio Science Review.

Welcome to ASR
A little slow with my response, sorry.
It may not be purdy enough for you but something from Buckeye in the Hypex 502MP line might fit the bill just fine otherwise.
2ch job will do 350wpc into 8ohms and 500 into 4. They typically measure near the top of their class and the price is right.
I'm not sure on you application, you might really be more in the market for a multich version, he has them too.
Something to seriously consider.

Buckeye Amps

Buckeye Amps utilizes the most advanced audio amplifier technologies available. Authorized seller for Hypex and Purifi Class D amplifiers. Based in the US. Free shipping and worldwide service!

www.buckeyeamp.com

Amir measured a 8ch version some time back.

Buckeye NC502MP 8-Channel Amp Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Buckeye Hypex NC502MP 8-channel class D amplifier. It was sent to me by the company and costs US $2,295. There is not a whole lot to look at here. Sheet metal is rather thin and fitment not that great. So put it in a cabinet and forget about...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Sillysilly]

You mean Primare? I love their designs. Still don’t know much about their products but will definitely look up

Yes, that's the one, my bad on spelling.

https://fidelityimports.com/ manage both brands and can probably give a decent recommendation.

Looking back at my pics from the day it looks like they were demoing the S7t Special Edition with an i35Pre and 2x A35 Power Amps underneath. Very impressive and punched way up there with some much more elaborate setups I've heard. Had me looking for the subs.

 

[Oddball]

Gene (see link below) used to run his S7ts with Marantz 8015 (not really even 125Wpc in multi-channel) and apparently this worked well for a while. He then switched to the AV-10 and new Marantz 16-ch amp (D class 200W per channel) and that apparently was a notable upgrade. In the new setup Gene is also using LFE distribution and feeding LFE signal to S7ts at -4dB, so quite a tall task.

Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor Review!

The Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor excelled in bench & listening tests. With unique bass management & room correction features, it's unmatched at its price. Long-term testing confirms its AV prowess.

www.audioholics.com

I was eying R7ts as well and heard them with the Storm 8 ch amp that is also 200Wpc and they were sounding great. It was HT setup so lots on nose that they had to create. Although, they had lighter load than Gene's as they were not playing LFE. Obviously if you can afford, more power will not hurt, but it seems like these speakers are doing pretty well with 200Wpc.

I do hear a difference between by 300Wpc and 130Wpc amps when listening to 2.0 setup, but honestly in 9.5.4 setup it kind of fades away, except in the situation where the scenes are quiet and either of LCR (powered by 300Wpc) are very active and other are not.

 

[Vacceo]

Our own Mr. Kal Rubinson reviewed a Primare multichannel a bit ago for Stereophile with quite good results. That said, the only issue I can see with Primate is their lack of DLBC compatibility.

 

[Sal1950]

Our own Mr. Kal Rubinson reviewed a Primare multichannel a bit ago for Stereophile with quite good results. That said, the only issue I can see with Primate is their lack of DLBC compatibility.

The S7t is a fairly sensitive speaker, John Atkinson measured them as matching the 92db factory spec, though the impedance can be a bit demanding. A amp capable of some muscle into low impedance's is recommended.

Perlisten S7t loudspeaker Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements The center of the Perlisten S7t's DPC high-frequency driver array is just 32" from the floor. While the distributor had placed the loudspeaker on a 3"-high dolly when he delivered it, I wasn't able to lift the speaker any higher for the measurements. (It weighs 122.5lb.)...

www.stereophile.com

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Our own Mr. Kal Rubinson reviewed a Primare multichannel a bit ago for Stereophile with quite good results. That said, the only issue I can see with Primate is their lack of DLBC compatibility.

I reviewed the A35.8 multichannel power amp. It, too, lacks DLBC.

 

[Sal1950]

I can see with Primate is their lack of DLBC compatibility.

I reviewed the A35.8 multichannel power amp. It, too, lacks DLBC.

I wouldn't make a lack of Dirac bass room correction a deal breaker.
There are many other good DRC systems available to the serious listener.

 

[VMAT4]

Welcome to ASR
A little slow with my response, sorry.
It may not be purdy enough for you but something from Buckeye in the Hypex 502MP line might fit the bill just fine otherwise.
2ch job will do 350wpc into 8ohms and 500 into 4. They typically measure near the top of their class and the price is right.
I'm not sure on you application, you might really be more in the market for a multich version, he has them too.
Something to seriously consider.

Buckeye Amps

Buckeye Amps utilizes the most advanced audio amplifier technologies available. Authorized seller for Hypex and Purifi Class D amplifiers. Based in the US. Free shipping and worldwide service!

www.buckeyeamp.com

Amir measured a 8ch version some time back.

Buckeye NC502MP 8-Channel Amp Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Buckeye Hypex NC502MP 8-channel class D amplifier. It was sent to me by the company and costs US $2,295. There is not a whole lot to look at here. Sheet metal is rather thin and fitment not that great. So put it in a cabinet and forget about...

www.audiosciencereview.com

If you want to spend more, boXem offer Hypex module amps as well but with an auto on feature.

 

[DVDdoug]

it digitises all the inputs for Dirac use. It doesn’t make sense for me to digitise the pure analogue signal from the turntable, although I’ve never tried it and don’t know if I’d hear the difference.

Hopefully it sounds BETTER with DIRAC. Without the DIRAC (or other digital processing) it should sound the same.

Of course it's "safer" to avoid extra analog-to-digital-to-analog conversions, or ANYTHING "extra" or unnecessary unless it's doing something beneficial.

All of that "warm" vinyl hiss, snap, crackle, and pop and any other vinyl defects should be perfectly preserved!

Here is a short story about an informal listening test involving direct analog listening vs. an additional analog-to-digital-to-analog conversion. (No difference was heard.)

I do hear a difference between by 300Wpc and 130Wpc amps when listening to 2.0 setup,

According to my handy-dandy spreadsheet you can go 3.6dB louder if you use the full 300W.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

I reviewed the A35.8 multichannel power amp. It, too, lacks DLBC.
I wouldn't make a lack of Dirac bass room correction a deal breaker.

I should have put a smiley on it.

 

[Vacceo]

I wouldn't make a lack of Dirac bass room correction a deal breaker.
There are many other good DRC systems available to the serious listener.

Primare avr/avp pack basic Dirac. I am not sure if their hardware can take DLBC. Hopefully in future upgrades.

Other than that little detail, they are good gear and their amps are excellent.

I reviewed the A35.8 multichannel power amp. It, too, lacks DLBC.

They did a good implementation of Hypex amps, that's for sure.

 

[Ciobi69]

Ncore 500x

 

[DMill]

It’s really more about how much power and which feature sets you want. Even A/B vs D will matter little in what you most likely can hear. Hell, there’s probably a number of tube amps that are pretty transparent, though I wouldn’t reco that path unless you enjoy spending money and tweaking. I speak first hand on that. For me, I‘d pick a established brand that I could trust or a smaller one where the owners seem to really give a sh#t (Buckeye, Boxem, Benchmark to begin with) based on your budget.

 

[Sal1950]

Hopefully it sounds BETTER with DIRAC. Without the DIRAC (or other digital processing) it should sound the same.

Absolutely, it's a very rare system that can't be much improved in the bass range with a good DRC application.

Primare avr/avp pack basic Dirac. I am not sure if their hardware can take DLBC. Hopefully in future upgrades.

I'm not highly knowledgeable on the different Dirac levels but I believe the included started app does include
some amount of correction for the bass range. DLBC brings the ability to correct for up to 4 individal subwoofers and
has finer controls of the various details. A great app for larger HT owners.

For me, I‘d pick a established brand that I could trust or a smaller one where the owners seem to really give a sh#t (Buckeye, Boxem, Benchmark to begin with) based on your budget.

Yes sir, I did neglect to HIGHLY recommend the Benchmark AHB2, incredible amp. But it will require the purchase of 2 switched to bridged to get the desired power. I believe it would be a good idea to first call Benchmark to ask how they feel about using them bridged into that particular load, it looks like it might be a bit sketchy?

I believe it's long past time for Benchmark to design a higher power version. In many systems the AHB2 does suffer from power delivery shortages.