Arendal 1528 Tower 8 vs Perlisten S7T

[Lsc]

Perhaps you have 80hz crossover, some other people might not. As I noted, Arendal has addressed the size disparity with their monster 1528 center probably best that it could be done. But also, good luck tilting that center.

@Lsc - same could be said for the towers as "placement could vary". In theory you LCR speakers should be the same, so in my book it translates into either ported or sealed. However, the world will obviously not end if the ideal state is not achieved.

The difference is that the center placement can include being inside cabinets. I didn’t think I needed to be that specific. My bad.

 

[Oddball]

The difference is that the center placement can include being inside cabinets. I didn’t think I needed to be that specific. My bad.

You should definitively not place center inside of cabinets - ever. They should be placed on a dedicated stand or on top of whatever furniture unit your are using and front of the speaker should be aligned with the edge of the stand.

 

[Golfx]

You should definitively not place center inside of cabinets - ever. They should be placed on a dedicated stand or on top of whatever furniture unit your are using and front of the speaker should be aligned with the edge of the stand.

You should start your own consulting company.

 

[Oddball]

You should start your own consulting company.

Funny that you said that as that is what I do. Any substantive comments to my post or just the usual ignorance for the merit of the post?

 

[Golfx]

Funny that you said that as that is what I do. Any substantive comments to my post or just the usual ignorance for the merit of the post?

Well lets just say if english is your mother tongue you are a bit too smug in your comments and advice.

 

[Oddball]

Well lets just say if english is your mother tongue you are a bit too smug in your comments and advice.

Well, I am trilingual thanks for asking and known to be blunt and eloquent in all of those languages.

If we are to judge ourselves as peers - I understand that I am smug, so I will take some time to reflect upon it and thanks for pointing that out to me. Much appreciated.

In the spirt of the constructive peer critique I would note that your posts appear to me a bit snobbish and often shallow. You might also take some time to reflect on that.

 

[Penelinfi]

Well, I am trilingual thanks for asking and known to be blunt and eloquent in all of those languages.

If we are to judge ourselves as peers - I understand that I am smug, so I will take some time to reflect upon it and thanks for pointing that out to me. Much appreciated.

In the spirt of the constructive peer critique I would note that your posts appear to me a bit snobbish and often shallow. You might also take some time to reflect on that.

It's good that you realise that as you're fairly often involved in this bickering; part of it may stem from you always having a rebuttal to every little thing. Right or wrong, does it really help the discussion?

As for tilting these large centre channel speakers. Perhaps there's a market there for someone. Otherwise owners could use a couple of rubber door wedges and/or rubber mats of sorts

 

[Lsc]

You should definitively not place center inside of cabinets - ever. They should be placed on a dedicated stand or on top of whatever furniture unit your are using and front of the speaker should be aligned with the edge of the stand.

It's good that you realise that as you're fairly often involved in this bickering; part of it may stem from you always having a rebuttal to every little thing. Right or wrong, does it really help the discussion?

As for tilting these large centre channel speakers. Perhaps there's a market there for someone. Otherwise owners could use a couple of rubber door wedges and/or rubber mats of sorts

I didn’t realize that he was like that. My point was that a companies like Revel who have ported mains, their matching center is sealed and is not an issue.

The tilting piece, I’m surprised at how little is offered. My voice2’s is very adjustable for tilt. The speaker sits on a guide. Maybe they just point them straight out.

 

[Golfx]

I didn’t realize that he was like that. My point was that a companies like Revel who have ported mains, their matching center is sealed and is not an issue.

The tilting piece, I’m surprised at how little is offered. My voice2’s is very adjustable for tilt. The speaker sits on a guide. Maybe they just point them straight out.

At the price class we have paid finding a external solution for center speaker tilt/height is easy to find. Mine is at level height with the tower tweeter waveguide complex. I use a wharfedale center stand.

 

[Oddball]

It's good that you realise that as you're fairly often involved in this bickering; part of it may stem from you always having a rebuttal to every little thing. Right or wrong, does it really help the discussion?

As for tilting these large centre channel speakers. Perhaps there's a market there for someone. Otherwise owners could use a couple of rubber door wedges and/or rubber mats of sorts

I am actually trying to help and spread the knowledge acquired over the many years, many setups and many forums. Given that you also have a different perception of how my posts appear, I will really try to be more sensitive to how I am messaging the content accros. And apologies if anyone was/is offended. I do tend to react to the posts I don't find friendly or constructive. On the other hand, I can't say yeah when I feel that is not the right answer. That is the difference of opinions that I guess we all have to learn to live with.

As far as points above - some additional input.

1. Don't put your center speaker (or any other speaker for that matter) in the cabinet. They are designed to be free-standing speakers. Obviously one can do whatever they want in their setup, but these are the guidelines that are pretty clear cut. In-wall or on-wall speakers have had a huge run lately, so should be considered for setups where free-standing regular boxes are not an optimal option.

2. Sealed mix with ported is not that clear cut, but at the end it really is. Best practice is not to mix subs and LCR between sealed and ported. It is obviously going to work in the end, but the basic guidelines are there for a reason, and mixing will generally create some integration issues. The fact that many major companies are doing different for their LCRs does not mean they are doing it right, and that has been done with a view that people will be using 80hz or higher crossover. Your don't have to use that crossover, so buying gear that will cut you off from additional options is - well limiting. With great regret and IMO - some of the greatest speakers fall in this category.

3. Tilting centres is not as easy as large and heavy centers seem to behave in line with the physics especially if driven hard. I do have experience with this and just sharing - at the end I had to support Klipsch RC-64iii from the back as got tired of the 25kg thingy sliding back all the time. Perhaps if I found better adhesive feet for the back and installed like 10 of them I might have solved the problem, but gave up after trying like 3 different solutions. The fact that some of the serious companies do not find it fitting to deploy a native tilting solution for centers is pretty sad IMO. Kind of like if you got yourself 10K towers but need to use door wedges or rubber matts as there was no native solution. If you or other people are happy with these do-it-youself solutions that is perfectly fine (but not really fine with me), but the fact is if the same manufacturers can put proper spikes on the towers - obviously they should do it on the centers as well. If people don't complain, then they will actually never want to improve their designs. Per my discussion with Arendal, they are "working on a solution". That solution might not come unless they use thicker board on the bottom of the speaker that would be able to accommodate threaded feet. Tilting center speaker to the right position is actually extremely important and makes really huge impact for the overall HT experience.

 

[Lsc]

At the price class we have paid finding an external solution for center speaker tilt/height is easy to find. Mine is at level height with the tower tweeter waveguide complex. I use a wharfedale center stand.

This is obviously more ideal than what I have where the tweeter of the salon2 is unusually high and the center is below the tv. Even for Revel they did this for the voice2 but newer centers (I guess they are at a “lower line”) have much more rudimentary solutions.

 

[kharan]

Considering the level of focus of Perlisten towards home theater, it is not terribly surprising that they are opting for a center channel with low output capabilities for bass in a sealed enclosure.

It makes it easier to hide in a living space and therefore easier to sell, and Perlisten probably expects most of its buyers to bass manage the central speaker. Likewise, Perlisten bookshelves have low bass output and little extension, they are meant to be bass managed as part of a home theater system, and not really meant for music listening in a two way system.

 

[Lsc]

Considering the level of focus of Perlisten towards home theater, it is not terribly surprising that they are opting for a center channel with low output capabilities for bass in a sealed enclosure.

It makes it easier to hide in a living space and therefore easier to sell, and Perlisten probably expects most of its buyers to bass manage the central speaker. Likewise, Perlisten bookshelves have low bass output and little extension, they are meant to be bass managed as part of a home theater system, and not really meant for music listening in a two way system.

Considering the center is a compromise speaker anyway, perhaps it being sealed gives it more placement options.

Given this compromise and the expected crossover point to be around 80Hz, my voice2 being sealed has zero negative impact in my system blending in with the mains. I’m sure it’s the same with Perlisten. If I didn’t have Revels, getting an all Perlisten system (including subs) would be on my short list.

And yes my center is on its dedicated stand (which sounds the best).

 

[ex audiophile]

It's pretty much blonde, brunette or redhead. I'd choose based on the size of their.... uh, woofers.

 

[Oddball]

It's pretty much blonde, brunette or redhead. I'd choose based on the size of their.... uh, woofers.

Agreed. Size matters .

BTW just came across this in another thread. Have not seen this before but seems like an interesting solution for tilting center speakers. Would still require some work (and they say "custom" so I guess means tilt can be bespoke) but eventually could provide one with the interface to tilt even 80kg center. Not really cheap, but many good things in life are not.

" speaker-ramp custom "

www.liedtke-metalldesign.eu

 

[Vacceo]

“Low extension will be different than the towers”? They are all on a crossover of 80hz. I believe your ideal of a perfect match would always be skewed by different enclosure sizes unless they were all the exact speakers matched perfectly

Considering the recent evolution of EQ software like Dirac, that may not apply anymore. DLBC benefits from extra bass on any speaker, more so with ART. With the Arendals you effectively have the output of a small subwoofer even with their bookshelves.

 

[Oddball]

Just to make sure I understand properly - DLBC would benefit from extra bass extension by lowering your crossover?

 

[Penelinfi]

Maybe could convince McIntosh to sell this separately :

If you know what tilt you need, a custom rubber door ramp seems like it would work fine; they might even be able to put a backstop on it so the speaker never vibrates off the ramp

 

[Vacceo]

Just to make sure I understand properly - DLBC would benefit from extra bass extension by lowering your crossover?

Not so much extension, but points of emisión to even out the bass response across the listening area.

 

[WillBrink]

Arendal 1528 Tower 8 vs Perlisten S7T
Does anyone have opinions regarding these two towers. Will be using as HT and stereo listening. Large room open to kitchen, Marantz AV10 with Hypex NCx500 3-ch and Hypex NC502 MP 8-ch amps. Will probably buy the respecting center channel first to make sure dialogue ineligibility is top notch! I am coming from a complete RF-7III Klipsch setup....RC-64 sounds a little muffled on occasions....could be my ears from 40 years of flying without adequate ear protection

Audioholics gives mega thumbs up to the 1528 monitor 8s: