Ah ha ever felt stupid, how could i have missed that great big button marked info, i see an optician visit in the near future lol, so got that now, should succeed now, in the meantime as a workaround, i put my network name into workgroup in daphile network, rebooted, i now have daphile listed as a device on network, which i can open from a laptop, and drag files to an attached drive, transferred some, i will complete the task the proper way, many many thanks for your help, think i am going to like this forum.
Cheers Chris