Browsing around AliExpress I came across........

[Winemaker]

Every now and then I receive notifications from AliExpress and, among the many times, I happened to come across this article (B&W clone speakers), but in your opinion, how interesting and how truthful are the feedback reported at the bottom of the link

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJtQTON

Then I wonder how a pair of speakers, which B&W sells for a thousand euros, can be sold for just over €1,370.00 including shipping
Browsing around AliExpress I came across........ 1f615

Those who bought them, I read, were very pleasantly surprised.... but some of you have them or have something similar, I don't want to buy them but I'm curious to know if there is anyone who has them and if, perhaps as I advise a Laughing friend, they are worth it.

WOULD YOU BUY THEM?

 

[TonyJZX]

well this is pretty simple to me

1st up, you have to have drank the B&W koolaid

2nd... you can buy a kit car that looks the same as a Lamborghini or Ferrari but what engineering has been done under the skin to perform like the car they copy?

ALSO I note it has free ship... but they are 120kg a pair and I assume 'monkey coffin' shaped crates

 

[Blumlein 88]

Would I buy them? NO.

 

[Sokel]

801's are 100 kg each and 802's are 90 kg each.
Something went missing during the knock-off

 

[unpluggged]

Then I wonder how a pair of speakers, which B&W sells for a thousand euros, can be sold for just over €1,370.00 including shipping

Why are you surprised? Have you not seen such stuff before?

I'd rather would be asking, how B&W manages to sell their speakers for such a price when there are many others that are superior and cheaper.

 

[Karmacoma]

I wouldn't buy anything worth more Than 150€ on Aliexpress. It's the far west over there.

 

[Winemaker]

Why are you surprised? Have you not seen such stuff before?

I'd rather would be asking, how B&W manages to sell their speakers for such a price when there are many others that are superior and cheaper.

So is B&W exaggerating?
Or are they the ones who, by copying, can afford such low prices?

 

[Kal Rubinson]

2nd... you can buy a kit car that looks the same as a Lamborghini or Ferrari but what engineering has been done under the skin to perform like the car they copy?

You don't have to look under the skin to see that these are substantially different in finish and construction from the originals.
(Reminds me of an SF story in a Groff Conklin anthology about making a skin-deep-only copy of a human.)

 

[thewas]

Great for a new white van episode...

 

[rank]

We buy it for the social status it can bring, so a copy of a Rolex has little interest. You can buy old RRs too (there's one for sale here for $35,000: if you're in love with your gas station attendant, don't hesitate!)...
On Ali express (it all starts with that name already), I was even disappointed by their electrical outlets, so...
There are ads for pure scams like this Vevor ultrasonic washer for about $60 but no that's the price of the internal rotor, otherwise it's worth the return to normal = $200, like everywhere in the West...
I would pass, in my immense leniency, on the photo of a very beautiful low-level moving coil cartridge, with a red-tinted wooden body of the most beautiful effect at $65, but damn it, another miss, it's the price of headshell (not even shown on the illustration, in all honesty huh, why bother with PRINCIPLES).
And a very nice copy of the golden Technics headshell ah but hell and eternal damanation, there is no connector and as there are TWO pins on the rear hole, impossible to mount one! Fa-bu-lous!
Also they like rust, basic ingredient of any metal object they have. Humidity no doubt.

 

[Winemaker]

But I noticed that in this forum there are many products made in China and also purchased on AliExpress, and those who have reviewed them speak highly of them.
So I ask myself and I ask you made in China yes, or made in China no? It seems to me that here we are asking to throw the baby out with all the dirty water.

 

[restorer-john]

They are clearly a dodgy, poor quality, half-assed copy of B&W loudspeakers. Anyone who buys this garbage deserves everything that comes with it.

 

[Sokel]

I feel it's sad.
They just play with people's wishes.
It's the exact equivalent as if selling a third world poor teen a fake Prada t-shirt for $2.
I hate such frauds.

 

[rank]

But I noticed that in this forum there are many products made in China and also purchased on AliExpress, and those who have reviewed them speak highly of them.
So I ask myself and I ask you made in China yes, or made in China no? It seems to me that here we are asking to throw the baby out with all the dirty water.

I would say it depends. They can very easily do the equivalent of Western or Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean productions. And not only under their management.
After all, they manufacture a lot of semiconductors, spare parts.
But you have to buy on a case-by-case basis. Several brands have disappeared overnight: Oppo no longer manufactures electronics; Opera seems to have become Consonance with very few new products; will Tonewinner last? So don't buy too expensive.

 

[Vlad1959]

I would say it depends. They can very easily do the equivalent of Western or Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean productions. And not only under their management.
After all, they manufacture a lot of semiconductors, spare parts.
But you have to buy on a case-by-case basis. Several brands have disappeared overnight: Oppo no longer manufactures electronics; Opera seems to have become Consonance with very few new products; will Tonewinner last? So don't buy too exp

I feel it's sad.
They just play with people's wishes.
It's the exact equivalent as if selling a third world poor teen a fake Prada t-shirt for $2.
I hate such frauds.

My point is this, I bought fake Bowers and Wilkins speakers, 800 series.
And they have an amazing and very beautiful sound. They don't have aluminum elements, they're a little bit lighter than the original ones, but they sound great. Why do we all think there are no good engineers in China? Why do we always think that if China copies something, the copy is always worse than the original? Why don't we accept the idea that a country that has its own quantum computer is not capable of making quality speakers?
These fake sound speakers are a marvel of engineering and a marvel of human hands. They are beautiful and great sounding.

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[Vlad1959]

My point is this, I bought fake Bowers and Wilkins speakers, 800 series.
And they have an amazing and very beautiful sound. They don't have aluminum elements, they're a little bit lighter than the original ones, but they sound great. Why do we all think there are no good engineers in China? Why do we always think that if China copies something, the copy is always worse than the original? Why don't we accept the idea that a country that has its own quantum computer is not capable of making quality speakers?
These fake sound speakers are a marvel of engineering and a marvel of human hands. They are beautiful and great sounding.

 

[Sokel]

My point is this, I bought fake Bowers and Wilkins speakers, 800 series.
And they have an amazing and very beautiful sound. They don't have aluminum elements, they're a little bit lighter than the original ones, but they sound great. Why do we all think there are no good engineers in China? Why do we always think that if China copies something, the copy is always worse than the original? Why don't we accept the idea that a country that has its own quantum computer is not capable of making quality speakers?
These fake sound speakers are a marvel of engineering and a marvel of human hands. They are beautiful and great sounding.

No, that's not engineering.
Engineering is to design the original, test it, redesign it, solve any potential issues,etc, etc.

Copying it is straight fraud, stealing someone else's hard work doing all the above.
And again, worst of all is that their playing with people's hearts and desires to have a piece of the original experience owning something with "reputation" .

Sound has nothing to do with this.

 

[Vlad1959]

No, that's not engineering.
Engineering is to design the original, test it, redesign it, solve any potential issues,etc, etc.

Copying it is straight fraud, stealing someone else's hard work doing all the above.
And again, worst of all is that their playing with people's hearts and desires to have a piece of the original experience owning something with "reputation" .

Sound has nothing to do with this.

I know what you mean. But we're talking about different issues. Yes, I agree with you that unauthorized copying is stealing other people's ideas, but have we raised this problem on this forum? Here everyone was talking and asking if Chinese fake sound speakers can give quality sound. So, I answered that they give excellent sound. Our world is not perfect, once Japan stole and copied American and European technology, later it became a world technological leader. Now China is copying something and making something on its own. And very soon it will start producing its own technologies. So let's not be very strict. All in due time.

 

[Vlad1959]

No, that's not engineering.
Engineering is to design the original, test it, redesign it, solve any potential issues,etc, etc.

Copying it is straight fraud, stealing someone else's hard work doing all the above.
And again, worst of all is that their playing with people's hearts and desires to have a piece of the original experience owning something with "reputation" .

Sound has nothing to do with this.

I want to add that copying is called reengineering. It is impossible to simply copy such a complex product without engineering labor.

 

[Sokel]

I know what you mean. But we're talking about different issues. Yes, I agree with you that unauthorized copying is stealing other people's ideas, but have we raised this problem on this forum? Here everyone was talking and asking if Chinese fake sound speakers can give quality sound. So, I answered that they give excellent sound. Our world is not perfect, once Japan stole and copied American and European technology, later it became a world technological leader. Now China is copying something and making something on its own. And very soon it will start producing its own technologies. So let's not be very strict. All in due time.

Ok, let's forget the fraud part and go to sound.
Engineering-wise it's not looks that make it, it's measurements (no mater if the original is good or bad)

So, if they wanted to show how good reverse-engineers they are they should provide original and then the copy measurements.

I see none.
So...