Browsing around AliExpress I came across........

[Kal Rubinson]

But I noticed that in this forum there are many products made in China and also purchased on AliExpress, and those who have reviewed them speak highly of them.

If those positive comments are on the sales website, their validity is more suspect than is the product.

 

[Vlad1959]

Ok, let's forget the fraud part and go to sound.
Engineering-wise it's not looks that make it, it's measurements (no mater if the original is good or bad)

So, if they wanted to show how good reverse-engineers they are they should provide original and then the copy measurements.

I see none.
So...

Hi. A new day has begun and we continue our discussion. I want to say that the Chinese nowhere say that they made a copy of B&W. They have changed the technology, they have changed the materials, they may have different speakers, and they have presented! And they have shown measurements! They presented the measured level of frequency response in the form of a graph.
I have not seen a measured graph of B&W's amplitude-frequency response, but what the Chinese have shown looks very good. It would be interesting to listen and compare these two systems. But again I have to say that the B&W clone has a great sound. That's the opinion of all those people who bought it. So I would like to say that the consumers are the winners. Who for relatively little money now have the opportunity to enjoy a beautiful and good sounding product.

 

[Vlad1959]

I provide a link to an Aliexpress site that shows the results of measuring the amplitude-frequency response of a B&W clone.

https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005007586657321.html?spm=a2g2w.detail.rcmdprod.11.15535773mShPsG&mixer_rcmd_bucket_id=UnknownMixerAbId&pdp_trigger_item_id=0_1005006040863840&ru_algo_pv_id=63788e-61b690-4d5da8-e9a349-1746248400&scenario=aerSimilarItemPdpRcmd&sku_id=12000041399646456&traffic_source=recommendation&type_rcmd=core

 

[KMM]

Are you on their pay role? Is there any proof that the 'response curve' is an actual measurement? Oh well.....

 

[Vlad1959]

Are you on their pay role? Is there any proof that the 'response curve' is an actual measurement? Oh well.....

My unknown friend, I am in no way affiliated with Chinese manufacturers. I live in a cold and scary country. We have a small window of opportunity to reach out to the world. But I think that snobbery towards everything Chinese is a wrong decision. The Chinese have already learned to make good cars, even if they are still inferior to European models, but you can already drive them. The Chinese make a lot of quality things. Including audio equipment. This is one of the reasons why I write on this forum. And the second reason is that we have censorship in our country and we have little opportunity to communicate with people living in the West. That's why for me communication on this forum is like a breath of clean and fresh air. Don't take offense at me...

 

[Vlad1959]

Are you on their pay role? Is there any proof that the 'response curve' is an actual measurement? Oh well.....

As for the validity of the B&W clone's amplitude-frequency response graphs, I'd like to ask, did the original B&W present their technical parameters, including the amplitude-frequency response?

 

[unpluggged]

a country that has its own quantum computer

According to whom?

And by this logic, if a certain country makes ICBMs with nuclear warheads and nuclear icebreakers, then it definitely also makes great cars, right, Vlad?

 

[kolestonin]

I think saying that disliking a replica speaker is anti-Chinese bias is derailing the conversation.
OP asked about these specific speakers.
I own a lot of chinese products and I love using them in my daily life, but I would never buy these speakers even for 100 euros.
Why is so hard to understand that by taking a known product and copying it you just want to take advantage of it's recognizability and reputation so to make easy money? You can't be devoted to engineering and to offering a good outcome in the same time no matter the product. Simply because you have other priorities.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

If this is the measurement being referenced, I’ll have to take a highly skeptical stance.

At the same time, I’d be disappointed if it turned out to be true, since it doesn’t reflect the original B&W 802’s response at all.

 

[sq225917]

They look exactly like the ones that were imported into the UK by icon audio a few years back. Having heard them at shows I'd steer well clear.

 

[Vlad1959]

According to whom?

And by this logic, if a certain country makes ICBMs with nuclear warheads and nuclear icebreakers, then it definitely also makes great cars, right, Vlad?

According to whom?

And by this logic, if a certain country makes ICBMs with nuclear warheads and nuclear icebreakers, then it definitely also makes great cars, right, Vlad?

My friend I agree with you. A country that can make nuclear missiles and nuclear icebreakers cannot make good cars. I'll tell you more, this country can't even make coffee machines.
But we're not talking about this country, we're talking about China.
China is a completely different country. There are a lot of smart engineers there, but there's no freedom at all. And I think that if you put aside all the moral principles of stealing other people's ideas, China can make good acoustics.

 

[Vlad1959]

I think saying that disliking a replica speaker is anti-Chinese bias is derailing the conversation.
OP asked about these specific speakers.
I own a lot of chinese products and I love using them in my daily life, but I would never buy these speakers even for 100 euros.
Why is so hard to understand that by taking a known product and copying it you just want to take advantage of it's recognizability and reputation so to make easy money? You can't be devoted to engineering and to offering a good outcome in the same time no matter the product. Simply because you have other priorities.

I understand you and I agree with you. But I want to ask a question, what should a person do who wants to listen to good sound, but does not have the money to buy quality speakers? Stay completely without sound or buy sound speakers clone of a famous brand?

 

[Old_School_Brad]

I understand you and I agree with you. But I want to ask a question, what should a person do who wants to listen to good sound, but does not have the money to buy quality speakers? Stay completely without sound or buy sound speakers clone of a famous brand?

That’s obviously not the only options available -ridiculous statement...

 

[unpluggged]

China is a completely different country. There are a lot of smart engineers there, but there's no freedom at all. And I think that if you put aside all the moral principles of stealing other people's ideas, China can make good acoustics.

As @kolestonin said, nobody here questioned the ability of some Chinese companies to make highly-performing audio electronics and even speakers (that being said, the issue of those products' reliability and safety is a different matter altogether). The issue being discussed here is that there is a lot of junk that mimics well-established and respected brands' production being sold on Chinese marketplaces, and this is not something new. Don't pretend that people who had been manufacturing various crap sold under "Nokla" or "Suny" "brands" all of a sudden have begun making SOTA products. They did not go anywhere.

And on the other side, the likes of Topping or S.M.S.L. now pay attention to the performance of their products first and foremost thanks to this very site, and this is the only aspect of their product value they had managed to master so far. They have yet to improve on their product's feature set, lifecycle, reliability, safety, and aftersales support.

You seem to look for an excuse to start a quarrel (using straw man arguments) as if people here were just a bunch of snobs. That's wrong; the majority of this community is welcoming, open-minded and well-intended, and react very enthusiastically to any new well-performing product being reviewed here regardless of its origin, even in cases where more scrutiny would not be out of place.

 

[Vlad1959]

As @kolestonin said, nobody here questioned the ability of some Chinese companies to make highly-performing audio electronics and even speakers (that being said, the issue of those products' reliability and safety is a different matter altogether). The issue being discussed here is that there is a lot of junk that mimics well-established and respected brands' production being sold on Chinese marketplaces, and this is not something new. Don't pretend that people who had been manufacturing various crap sold under "Nokla" or "Suny" "brands" all of a sudden have begun making SOTA products. They did not go anywhere.

And on the other side, the likes of Topping or S.M.S.L. now pay attention to the performance of their products first and foremost thanks to this very site, and this is the only aspect of their product value they had managed to master so far. They have yet to improve on their product's feature set, lifecycle, reliability, safety, and aftersales support.

You seem to look for an excuse to start a quarrel (using straw man arguments) as if people here were just a bunch of snobs. That's wrong; the majority of this community is welcoming, open-minded and well-intended, and react very enthusiastically to any new well-performing product being reviewed here regardless of its origin, even in cases where more scrutiny would not be out of place.

As @kolestonin said, nobody here questioned the ability of some Chinese companies to make highly-performing audio electronics and even speakers (that being said, the issue of those products' reliability and safety is a different matter altogether). The issue being discussed here is that there is a lot of junk that mimics well-established and respected brands' production being sold on Chinese marketplaces, and this is not something new. Don't pretend that people who had been manufacturing various crap sold under "Nokla" or "Suny" "brands" all of a sudden have begun making SOTA products. They did not go anywhere.

And on the other side, the likes of Topping or S.M.S.L. now pay attention to the performance of their products first and foremost thanks to this very site, and this is the only aspect of their product value they had managed to master so far. They have yet to improve on their product's feature set, lifecycle, reliability, safety, and aftersales support.

You seem to look for an excuse to start a quarrel (using straw man arguments) as if people here were just a bunch of snobs. That's wrong; the majority of this community is welcoming, open-minded and well-intended, and react very enthusiastically to any new well-performing product being reviewed here regardless of its origin, even in cases where more scrutiny would not be out of place.

My friend, I agree with what you wrote almost entirely.
But I am expressing my own point of view and I have the right to do so.
I don't want to quarrel with anyone or organize a conflict in any way. Maybe the problem is that I don't know English well and I use an electronic translator. Therefore the meaning of my texts is not exactly what I would like. I apologize if someone thought that I wanted to fight. That is not the case at all.

 

[Talisman]

I understand you and I agree with you. But I want to ask a question, what should a person do who wants to listen to good sound, but does not have the money to buy quality speakers? Stay completely without sound or buy sound speakers clone of a famous brand?

Wanting to think of your good faith and that this is not trolling, I answer that many people on this site have audio systems that sound good and cost little, just inform yourself, read, understand, make the right purchases.
A pair of Focal towers like the chora 816 can give you a good sound at a cheap price with quality components and without stealing other people's intellectual property.