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In my experience, Audyssey detects and does not attempt to boost null regions of the response. It will fill in the edges and make it narrower, which helps make it less audible.
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The people at Audyssey do not seem to understand the value of customer retention. I was all ready to buy the software and start using it.
Well this is the response I got from them when I inquire about the transfer to a new model in case of my old (X-3400H) having to be replaced ..
This is my correspondence with them... NOT pleased . Sour about Audyssey whose most interesting feature is the DEQ for me. If I can find a serious alternative to DEQ, , I will bolt out...
Ticket #xxxxxx: Interested in the MultEQ-X PC App
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Customer Support Team, Aug 19, 2022, 8:07 AM PDT:
Hi Frantz, unfortunately the license cannot be transferred to another AVR. I would suggest waiting until you upgrade your receiver, and then purchasing a license for MultEQ-X.
Best Regards,
Audyssey Support
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Frantz, Aug 19, 2022, 1:52 AM PDT:
Hi
I am the owner of a Denon AVR-X3400, which I acquired about 4 years ago. I love it and I now consider Audyssey as a requirement for any audio system. I have used the Audyssey Smartphone App with good results but also realize its limitations.
I want to acquire the MultEQ-X App. My Denon is 4 years old. I have to consider a time when it dies and has to be replaced, by a Denon of course. What happens to my license if my receiver is out of commission? Does it get transferred to the new receiver? I am not asking to keep on using it on other receivers on a regular basis. just that one time if my, relatively old Receiver has an issue?
I want to know if the license will be transferred in such a case. Then I will acquire the MultEQ-X App.
Looking forward to your reply.
Thank
Frantz
Peace.
Hi
The people at Audyssey do not seem to understand the value of customer retention. I was all ready to buy the software and start using it.
Well this is the response I got from them when I inquire about the transfer to a new model in case of my old (X-3400H) having to be replaced ..
This is my correspondence with them... NOT pleased . Sour about Audyssey whose most interesting feature is the DEQ for me. If I can find a serious alternative to DEQ, , I will bolt out...
Ticket #xxxxxx: Interested in the MultEQ-X PC App
Your request (#xxxxxx) has been updated.
To review the status of the request and add additional comments, follow the link below:
You can also add a comment by replying to this email.
Customer Support Team, Aug 19, 2022, 8:07 AM PDT:
Hi Frantz, unfortunately the license cannot be transferred to another AVR. I would suggest waiting until you upgrade your receiver, and then purchasing a license for MultEQ-X.
Best Regards,
Audyssey Support
Please understand tickets may be marked "Solved" for expediency. Please feel free to continue the conversation if your issue is not resolved completely to your satisfaction.
Check out our new MultEQ-X calibration software
Calibrated Mics for MultEQ-X are now available on Amazon.com
Adapter Cables for using the Pro Kit with MultEQ-X are now available on Amazon.com
Replacement Microphones for many AVRs are available on Amazon.com
Frantz, Aug 19, 2022, 1:52 AM PDT:
Hi
I am the owner of a Denon AVR-X3400, which I acquired about 4 years ago. I love it and I now consider Audyssey as a requirement for any audio system. I have used the Audyssey Smartphone App with good results but also realize its limitations.
I want to acquire the MultEQ-X App. My Denon is 4 years old. I have to consider a time when it dies and has to be replaced, by a Denon of course. What happens to my license if my receiver is out of commission? Does it get transferred to the new receiver? I am not asking to keep on using it on other receivers on a regular basis. just that one time if my, relatively old Receiver has an issue?
I want to know if the license will be transferred in such a case. Then I will acquire the MultEQ-X App.
Looking forward to your reply.
Thank
Frantz
Peace.
Hmm, yes, it's plausible to me at least that you might see the same "average of filtered region is 0dB" effect in a limited EQ of the mains as you do with a sub. Would explain what you're seeing.It was for speakers, not subwoofer. However, it's possible that as I limited the EQ frequency to 300, and set the filter center frequency at 200, then from the software's point of view I was boosting the entire frequency range, although from my point of view I was boosting only the the bass. Although if that's really the case, this makes bass boosting impossible without also EQing the high frequencies, which seems wrong? Is that actually what was happening?
You can't effectively boost your way out of low-frequency nulls. Almost all extra energy from your gain just goes to the other places in the room, probably making the balance in those places even worse.
Your best bet is moving the subwoofer / speakers. Or listening position.
You can see similar effects from reflections cancelling at higher frequencies - you boost the reflections too, so they still cancel.
Most of the time a +3dB gain filter will provide +3dB output, but not when nulls/cancellations are happening.
If you mess with REW or similar you'll see people wittering on about "minimum phase" regions of response - that's what they're talking about. "Minimum phase" is the good parts of the frequency response that respond to EQ - an "excess phase" graph shows spikes in regions where it won't respond to EQ.
The simple Audyssey app will be assuming everything is minimum phase and will respond to EQ perfectly, and shows what the after would look like if that was the case. (It's just literally summing the "before" and the "EQ" level, ignoring phase).
If the MultEQ-X app is doing better, then it is likely paying attention to the phase issues.
I have only used my $20 app not the $200 one, based on my experience I would be in the "deny.." group. In that regard, it seems to work like the Mult EQ X app, that you can enter the boosts/cuts and the App see to take the entry points and do its FIR thing. Again, cuts work well almost as expected whereas boost only work reasonably as expected as long as the boosted frequency points are not the room mode/nulls. Please do share the response from Audyssey.As for Audyssey and shelf filters, if it really "sets the average level" only within the equalized frequency range, then that's completely broken from my point of view and something they must fix to be competitive .... and hope maybe others here can test to confirm/deny it, as I don't have direct access to the system on which I tried this (was done remotely, and I haven't purchased the app myself).
But what if you boost (or cut) uniformly up to 300Hz and also limit EQ to 300Hz? Will you get any boosting/cutting? Seems like you don't, which is a serious issue.I have only used my $20 app not the $200 one, based on my experience I would be in the "deny.." group. In that regard, it seems to work like the Mult EQ X app, that you can enter the boosts/cuts and the App see to take the entry points and do its FIR thing. Again, cuts work well almost as expected whereas boost only work reasonably as expected as long as the boosted frequency points are not the room mode/nulls. Please do share the response from Audyssey.
But what if you boost (or cut) uniformly up to 300Hz and also limit EQ to 300Hz? Will you get any boosting/cutting? Seems like you don't, which is a serious issue.
No need to recalibrate, it would suffice to just change the curve of current calibration and make 2 measurements - one with eq limited to 300Hz and flat curve, and another with same limit but 5db boost up to 300Hz and flat from there. Check the average measured SPL below 300Hz between the 2 curves, if it is closer to 0db or 5db.Going by memory, pretty sure it would, except as I emphasized, at the frequency points where the room mode dips were. This is going by memory and I have too many REW plots all over the place to find them. I should do a new one for may be just 5 mic positions to save time, but it will have to be next week. If I have time I may do one with Dirac too just to compare.
Just look at rhe scale, how high/low are you peaks/dips - numerically.I've calibrated with MultEQ-X and I'm checking my results. Obvisously the scale of the REW Y axis gives a skewed sense of "flatness". A big Y axis makes it seem flat; zooming in makes it look 'worse'.
Whats an accurate scale to use to evaluate 'flatness'?
Good point, the flat curve is not affected by changes previously made withthe App. Thank you for saving me time.No need to recalibrate, it eould suffice to just change the curve of current calibration and make 2 measurements - one with eq limited to 300Hz and flat curve, and another with same limit but 5db boost up to 300Hz and flat from there. Check the average measured SPL below 300Hz between the 2 curves, if it is closer to 0db or 5db.
I just turn on DEQ and that is usually enough. I have never felt like I needed to add a bass boost to speakers on top of DEQ, but if I did, there are tone controls that affect the front L & R speakers. I know it's not exactly what he wants to do, but it should work.If I understood him right, he just wanted to restore some room gain that XT32 presumably must have cut, if that's the case it should work, except if in that case there happened to have too many nulls that you mentioned within the range he tried to low shelf it up. Also if that's case, then instead of using what he called a low shelf type filter, but use REW to identify where the original room gain frequency points were, and boost those only, then XT32 (via the App) will likely comply. At least it worked for me that way in the past.
Edit: Posted too soon, missed a few..