Audyssey's Next Generation of Room Correction (MultEQ-X)

[Reverend Slim]

I think if they wanted to they could implement such a feature without much difficulty. I don't think they would do it for more than one reason, one being they know many users will complain the "after" will not look as good as the predicted response. It would be too much for them to keep explaining to people why that would be the case.

I think D&M could possibly implement it... but it would require a firmware update to every model of AVR supported and could only happen if there was sufficient DSP budget to perform the check again while filters are in place. They may not be able to do it at all depending on how the signal chain is arranged. Audyssey themselves can't possibly implement it in MultEQ-X because it's a hardware limitation of existing AVRs.

But realistically, I think Audyssey needs to get back into the game and expand upon their core product, implementing their version of some of the advancements we're seeing from other products. They've rested on their laurels for far too long, and a lot has happened in the calibration space. It's nice to have the added customization that MultEQ-X provides but they need to go back to the drawing board and create a more modern system that takes into account some of the lessons they're learning from MultEQ-X. Hell, if Audyssey moved to a 4-capsule mic and did some cursory remapping based on detected azimuth, that would be a huge boon for the average user with Atmos systems.

 

[Sal1950]

It doesnt have to be that serious. We get a fake before and after in the mobile app we should get a more realistic before and after for $180 more in the desktop version. Doesn't have to be that precise and I shouldn't have to buy a separate microphone and learn a 2nd app to get the measurements...

Remember the final FR is a averaging of the 8 positions meant to give a "reasonably" flat response at the 8 positions you chose.
To give a true flat response at all 8 positions is impossible. If you only used one position and the program used enough filters/power you could adjust for a flat response at the MLP, but that is not the intent of a DLP program.

 

[Beershaun]

Remember the final FR is a averaging of the 8 positions meant to give a "reasonably" flat response at the 8 positions you chose.
To give a true flat response at all 8 positions is impossible. If you only used one position and the program used enough filters/power you could adjust for a flat response at the MLP, but that is not the intent of a DLP program.

I suppose they would have to recreate what rew does. Play a pink noise sample before and after to show some sort of apples to apples comparison.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

My PC/Microsoft Store just downloaded a new MultEQ-X version (1.4.608.0).

This is the changelog Audyseey Lab posted.

Look at the last bullet point. Would that mean that the MultEQ licence is not longer tied to a specific AVR Serial Number and one can switch it over to a new AVR when selling the old one or is this just wishful thinking on my part?

 

[Sal1950]

Look at the last bullet point. Would that mean that the MultEQ licence is not longer tied to a specific AVR Serial Number and one can switch it over to a new AVR when selling the old one or is this just wishful thinking on my part?

Interesting, That's a good question?

 

[Toblerone]

I would think it means you can buy it and play around with it like a demo mode but once you want to apply any corrections the license will need to be tied to a specific avr receiving the corrections files.

 

[Toblerone]

I suppose they would have to recreate what rew does. Play a pink noise sample before and after to show some sort of apples to apples comparison.

This is what I was trying to get at. Just play some pink noise like rew and give me a sense of what I'm getting from approximately the main seating position .... I don't want to buy an addition microphone and figure out more software just to get this.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

I would think it means you can buy it and play around with it like a demo mode but once you want to apply any corrections the license will need to be tied to a specific avr receiving the corrections files.

Are you speculating or knowing?

 

[Exirion]

I recently bought the widely praised AVC-X4700H for a second setup. I’ve owned Pioneer, Arcam, Yamaha and Rotel devices and must say that from a UX and software perspective, Denon is garbage. The menu structure logic is unusual and the control app is a complete joke. Worse than the average hobby project. The MultEQ app is OK, but 24 EUR? Come on Denon. And 200 for an application that should have been for free is like a slap in the face. I’m very close to selling it after less than 2 months of usage…

 

[GalZohar]

I recently bought the widely praised AVC-X4700H for a second setup. I’ve owned Pioneer, Arcam, Yamaha and Rotel devices and must say that from a UX and software perspective, Denon is garbage. The menu structure logic is unusual and the control app is a complete joke. Worse than the average hobby project. The MultEQ app is OK, but 24 EUR? Come on Denon. And 200 for an application that should have been for free is like a slap in the face. I’m very close to selling it after less than 2 months of usage…

While you are somewhat correct, once you compare to the alternatives, you will realize you can get similar results to much more expensive devices, or much better results than similarly priced ones. Then you can see why they can keep making it this way.

 

[Sal1950]

I recently bought the widely praised AVC-X4700H for a second setup. I’ve owned Pioneer, Arcam, Yamaha and Rotel devices and must say that from a UX and software perspective, Denon is garbage. The menu structure logic is unusual and the control app is a complete joke. Worse than the average hobby project. The MultEQ app is OK, but 24 EUR? Come on Denon. And 200 for an application that should have been for free is like a slap in the face. I’m very close to selling it after less than 2 months of usage…

????
I don't know what your problem is.
I have one and am very pleased.
I'm not buying the $200 Audyssey app either, the $20 does what I need.
But what makes you think it should be free?
I paid the same for the Auro app on my prior Marantz.
Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts!

 

[beren777]

????
I don't know what your problem is.
I have one and am very pleased.
I'm not buying the $200 Audyssey app either, the $20 does what I need.
But what makes you think it should be free?
I paid the same for the Auro app on my prior Marantz.
Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts!

I'd be more willing to purchase the $200 app if it weren't irrevocably tied to a single AVR. Even limited transfers (1 transfer to a new AVR per year, for example) would likely be enough for me to purchase it.

 

[Toblerone]

Even 1 transfer every 2-3 years would be great ugh

 

[CBM]

I've just noticed that on the "Filter Settings" page of Multeq-x, on the "High Frequency EQ Limit" you have the option of "Limit All" or "Limit Measured". Does this mean that you can "Limit Measured" and use PEQ filters full-range or "Limit All" and limit Audyssey measurements and PEQ filters? If it does, this is a promised addition and very useful.

 

[FrantzM]

Ok.. Yeah...

I bought it today ... Will report later.. yeah. I know..

I love the system I have and if you consider what I paid <$5,000.oo for a satisfying full range HT and music system. Projector, BD Player, Apple TV 4K, miniDSP included... If it were to be only 2-channel, it would have cost about $2200.oo complete. for full range that is a good price to pay for a complete system.
I still don't like Audyssey policies on this App.
I paid.

Will try it later and report. Now to research this thread and others. I would like to use a Toole-Harman curve at the outset. Any pointers? Thanks in advance

Peace

 

[Reverend Slim]

I would like to use a Toole-Harman curve at the outset. Any pointers? Thanks in advance

A good quick start:
1. Create a 2nd order low shelf, frequency 80, gain 5.0 applied to all channels. This comes pretty close to the low end of Harman and keeps transitions across the AVR's crossovers consistent.
2. Use a high shelf wherever you want the downward tilt of highs to start. All I wanted was to shave off the high end slightly, so I'm using a 1st order high shelf at 17kHz of about -1.5dB. You can try other filters if you want to get it closer to Harman. I would also pay attention to the natural response of your speakers in your measurements to see what tilt or filter might align best to what it does on its own.
3. After you upload, boost your sub(s) by +4dB to account for the shelf above, preferably on the sub gains themselves but you can use trims if you have enough room.

You're going to do a lot of tweaking until you get it nailed, but it's worth it if you spend the time. Use the reference and flat presets for A/B comparison between filtering to make it easy.

 

[FrantzM]

A good quick start:
1. Create a 2nd order low shelf, frequency 80, gain 5.0 applied to all channels. This comes pretty close to the low end of Harman and keeps transitions across the AVR's crossovers consistent.
2. Use a high shelf wherever you want the downward tilt of highs to start. All I wanted was to shave off the high end slightly, so I'm using a 1st order high shelf at 17kHz of about -1.5dB. You can try other filters if you want to get it closer to Harman. I would also pay attention to the natural response of your speakers in your measurements to see what tilt or filter might align best to what it does on its own.
3. After you upload, boost your sub(s) by +4dB to account for the shelf above, preferably on the sub gains themselves but you can use trims if you have enough room.

You're going to do a lot of tweaking until you get it nailed, but it's worth it if you spend the time. Use the reference and flat presets for A/B comparison between filtering to make it easy.

Will do. This week-end. Thanks so very much!

 

[FrantzM]

HI

I have sent this question to Denon. Replicating it here, since you usually have better answers .
I have had for the longest time 2 settings for Audyssey, one for 2-channel Music and another for HT. In both cases, 2 subwoofers are used. THese are presented tp Audyssey as one subwoofer. The subwoofers are linearized with RWW or MSO, and a miniDSP 2x4.
I was doing it from the IOS APp and this was pretty straightforward: Send the different .ady config tot he receiver... I could the same for the MultiEQ-X windows app, the PC is not int he same room and .. I 'd like to:
Be able to have two preset configuration in the AVR
One for music 2-ch with Audyssey seeing L + R + one sub
and the other one for HT with Audyssey seeeing L,C,R, LSURR, RSURR, Atmos L, Atmos R, + One sub.

Would like to just press one button on the Denon remote (emulated by Logitech) to call for these Audyssey settings.

Peace.

 

[FrantzM]

OH

I forgot .. Using/playing with it. Much more control than possible with the IOS App. I mean much more, I had it pretty well set-up with the App but this brings the potential for more improvement. It is indeed possible for the technically inclined to use Ratbudyssey with Audyssey for similar results but ... this is not an easy task. And Ratbudyssey is not maintained ... so .. for me, this MultiEQ-X App is a much better and easier to use solution. Is it worth $150,oo? A judgement call. Again for me , after a lot of hand-wringing, yes.
Yes, I know, I caved, but no regret. .
Subjectively, better sound not "day and night", but, yes, better.

Peace,

 

[GalZohar]

HI

I have sent this question to Denon. Replicating it here, since you usually have better answers .
I have had for the longest time 2 settings for Audyssey, one for 2-channel Music and another for HT. In both cases, 2 subwoofers are used. THese are presented tp Audyssey as one subwoofer. The subwoofers are linearized with RWW or MSO, and a miniDSP 2x4.
I was doing it from the IOS APp and this was pretty straightforward: Send the different .ady config tot he receiver... I could the same for the MultiEQ-X windows app, the PC is not int he same room and .. I 'd like to:
Be able to have two preset configuration in the AVR
One for music 2-ch with Audyssey seeing L + R + one sub
and the other one for HT with Audyssey seeeing L,C,R, LSURR, RSURR, Atmos L, Atmos R, + One sub.

Would like to just press one button on the Denon remote (emulated by Logitech) to call for these Audyssey settings.
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Peace.

If you have a 2020 denon then you can use 2 different presets, but I don't hink you can swap between them with a single remote button.

You actually don't need a separate stereo calibration, though. Just calibrate using all speakers. Unless you enable one of the upmixing modes, stereo content wouldn't use your surrounds or center anyway, and the result would be the same as if you used a stereo preset. That is considering you use the sub in both with the same crossover.