You would expect Audyssey to also to capture the reflection and do its calculations based on that?
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Audyssey's Next Generation of Room Correction (MultEQ-X)
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No, capturing reflections seperately from the steady state room "curve" is tricky... that's where more sophisticated methods including DLBC and DLART come in.
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To be fair, Audyssey is outdated where Atmos is concerned, in a lot of ways. Doesn't compensate for the differences in grazing incidence to the mic with heights, even in a general way. Throws off Atmos imaging when you use DEQ because of how they alter surround/height levels (which they have no supporting data for as far as heights because their research was done pre-Atmos). They basically shoe-horned makeshift solutions into their existing product. There are things you can do on your own to account for these things, but if you're expecting Audyssey to actually do anything other than iterate on what they already have out there, keep holding your breath.
indeed I had to manually change the atmos levels quite a bit to make it sound reasonably ok.
The AV10 can also do Dirac, would it do better with the atmos channels?
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If you're using upfirers, make sure MultEQ-X is putting the Dolby curve on those so that it doesn't undo any in-speaker frequency shaping. As far as Dirac, I have no hands-on experience with it.
To be fair, Audy does many things right, and many things wrong. It is up to you to figure out the balance. DEQ is not feature you have to use, it is clearly optional.
What Audy offers is much more than many other EQ systems at similar pricing levels for the hardware. Some of premier theatres with D&M hardware don't use Dirac, but rather Audy with some REW filter support. Actually some of the Storm based premier theatres also fall back to PEQ and REW.
I've got a question. I have a Denon x8500h. It only has one profile setting.
I'm finding that the settings that I need for 2.2 music and for home theater are completely different. (I watched The matrix last night with my music settings and was appalled).
The only way I can think of rectifying this is to keep two different configuration files on my computer, one for home theater and one for music and upload the proper configuration file when switching between the two.
Does that sound right? Am I missing anything that I could be doing better or more efficiently?
I'm finding that the settings that I need for 2.2 music and for home theater are completely different. (I watched The matrix last night with my music settings and was appalled).
The only way I can think of rectifying this is to keep two different configuration files on my computer, one for home theater and one for music and upload the proper configuration file when switching between the two.
Does that sound right? Am I missing anything that I could be doing better or more efficiently?
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This should not be the case.
In my systems, when I dial in the perfect sound for music, it applies equally well across all movies.
Can you describe the issue(s) you are hearing? Maybe we could help figure out if something is off somewhere.
Also list your speakers and subs. Thanks.
So I've been at this for 30 years with plenty of years off in between. Coming back.
I had a system 30 years ago with Rotel amplifiers, a Sony av processor and a HSU Subwoofer. I know the sounds of The matrix.
When the helicopter comes down and the machine gun blows into the building it should hit your chest.
My current setup is Denon x8500h with Purify outboard amplifiers, two Rythmik sealed 15 in subwoofers, Revel C126Be center and F226Be mains.
My system of 20 years ago smoked this setup for watching The Matrix.
I am also using Audyssey MultiEQX and REW.
I had a system 30 years ago with Rotel amplifiers, a Sony av processor and a HSU Subwoofer. I know the sounds of The matrix.
When the helicopter comes down and the machine gun blows into the building it should hit your chest.
My current setup is Denon x8500h with Purify outboard amplifiers, two Rythmik sealed 15 in subwoofers, Revel C126Be center and F226Be mains.
My system of 20 years ago smoked this setup for watching The Matrix.
I am also using Audyssey MultiEQX and REW.
With this system I have to turn off all tilt and bass enhancements because it's just too much. It's perfect without touching anything...for music. Sucks for movies.
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Something is not right, likely settings and Audyssey related. Even my near bottom of the line x1800h can do an excellent job in 2.1 up to 7.1, as good as my main system. The 8500 is a flagship model, should be abe to do a much better job. Does it do better with Audyssy off?
Controlling the bass in complex music is a real issue in my room. Ironically there is not nearly enough bass for big movies. I have the music part dialed in but it is nowhere nearly adequate for movies.
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Our systems are pretty similar.
Denon X4500 w/Audyssey XT32
Buchardt S400 x3
Revel S16 x4
Focal 6" sealed outdoor speakers as heights/tops
Rythmik FV15HP2 x2
For me, Audyssey is a simple process. I run all the measurements and if I get the floor L/R and top L/R pairs to come out with the same distances left to right, I know I got my center point right with the mic. Using the app, I set my limit at 400 Hz for the front 3 and between 400-600 Hz for the rest of the speakers. I find the surrounds tend to need correction a little higher due to their proximity to the walls.
The subs get a distance tweak using REW to verify, crossovers set to 60 Hz (based on much testing in different rooms over the last few years, and because Denon doesn't give the option for 70 Hz) then sub levels adjusted using a set of musical reference tracks. This usually means the levels come up 1-3 notches. Back when I ran sealed subs, I had to crank them a lot more, like +6-8.
I then use a process I developed using Atmos white noise and REW RTA readings to level out the surrounds and tops with DEQ on at -20 MV. I always use DEQ, no exceptions.
My settings don't ever change unless I come across a movie with abnormally weak or strong LFE. For Bladerunner 2049 the subs get trimmed by -2, for example.
Other than that, this system is turn-key whenever I want to use it.
I'm trying to understand this. You are not getting enough bass for movies, and if you run the bass where you want it to be, the bass is too much for music?
Exactly. I find that the music 2.2 is very sensitive to too much Bass. That same setting with movies is extraordinarily weak. I think with music it is so sensitive that I can't even do a tilt I literally need to keep it at the bass calibration settings for multi eqx and then it's perfect and REW also shows me that I am right. For music. It's magical for music. It's terrible for home theater.
That's why I need two profiles it seems.
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Post some examples of your test tracks and I'll try them here.
Do you use dynamic EQ? The reference offsets could help you getting a balanced sound by setting them different for music and movie
Sure! I'm happy to but again I have the music dialed in perfectly in my mind.. but that same profile does not work for movies.
You're going to make me blush but here are my go-to tracks for music:
The magnificent seven by the clash, cousin Dupree and babylon's sister by steely Dan, after midnight at Kean college by Jerry Garcia, the insound from way out by Beastie boys, magnetic lies my Malia, fading sun by Terje Isungset, flight of the cosmic hippo by Bela fleck, Arabia by Jerry Garcia, solar sailor from the Tron soundtrack, Running by Norah Jones, secret agent Man by devo, the torture never stops by Frank Zappa, and one of the most difficult songs in a weird way is slippery people by talking heads... There are sounds that are hard to control in that song. I don't know just a glimpse.
You're going to make me blush but here are my go-to tracks for music:
The magnificent seven by the clash, cousin Dupree and babylon's sister by steely Dan, after midnight at Kean college by Jerry Garcia, the insound from way out by Beastie boys, magnetic lies my Malia, fading sun by Terje Isungset, flight of the cosmic hippo by Bela fleck, Arabia by Jerry Garcia, solar sailor from the Tron soundtrack, Running by Norah Jones, secret agent Man by devo, the torture never stops by Frank Zappa, and one of the most difficult songs in a weird way is slippery people by talking heads... There are sounds that are hard to control in that song. I don't know just a glimpse.
I've had a terrible time with dynamic EQ to be honest. Bloated sound is my general complaint.
So I decided to set a home theater profile and try to play The matrix again today. I added a -0.6 tilt and +1 bass shelf and then the matrix was acceptable but nowhere near where I had it 20 years ago.
In the classic scene when Neo and Trinity walk into the military building past the metal detectors and they get in the shootout and do somersaults and twirl and blow up the lobby of the building... You have to hear that deep soundtrack of music playing through... You need the highs of all the bullets and shells you need the explosions and you need that musical bass soundtrack. That is a go-to measurement for me. It is locked into my brain. I played that movie last night with my music setting and it was absolutely embarrassing. I juice it up today and it was way more enjoyable but not the way I remember it in any stretch the imagination... Still so weak even with the big tilt and the bass boost. I don't understand exactly but I guess that's why I'm on this journey.
In the classic scene when Neo and Trinity walk into the military building past the metal detectors and they get in the shootout and do somersaults and twirl and blow up the lobby of the building... You have to hear that deep soundtrack of music playing through... You need the highs of all the bullets and shells you need the explosions and you need that musical bass soundtrack. That is a go-to measurement for me. It is locked into my brain. I played that movie last night with my music setting and it was absolutely embarrassing. I juice it up today and it was way more enjoyable but not the way I remember it in any stretch the imagination... Still so weak even with the big tilt and the bass boost. I don't understand exactly but I guess that's why I'm on this journey.