Are phono cables really diferent from other cables?

[WisEd]

I guess you use non shielded RCAs on your turntable... Good for you!

 

[WisEd]

I guess you use non shielded RCAs on your turntable... Good for you!

Enjoy the high frequency hiss!

 

[SIY]

What should I do about my optical fiber which also transmits data via SPDIF protocol?

 

[SIY]

Mmm, you really are clueless. a 75 ohm cable does not care if its transmitting and audio signal or a digital one! just a chunk of copper. Like any cable it also works dandy as an antenna. If the cable has and additional copper jacket, it shield the inner condutor from RF, if it doesnt. The fact that SPDIF is a video spec doesn't have anything to do with its audio qualities. It works for both! SPDIF is simple a 75 ohm copper wire with a copper jacket and and RCA plug. Given its rejection of RF its the best turntable conector. BTW your optical connector is TOS link. It has nothing to do with SPDIF. Get your connector acronym salad correct.

Is this deliberate?

 

[Beave]

Now it's time for a double facepalm.

 

[WisEd]

Is this deliberate?

The one that seems to be lacking in comprehension is you! We are talking about the CABLE not the frigging protocol. Shielding is what differetiates regular RCA interconects from those used in SPDIF connections! So called SPDIF CABLES work in either scenario! Do you have a comprehension impediment or are just a roving troll?
ITS simply a 75 Ohm wire with a copper shield terminated in RCA ends. READ the SPDIF WIRE specs! The data specs for SPDIF are absolutely moot for the purpose of analog use.

 

[SIY]

The one that seems to be lacking in comprehension is you! We are talking about the CABLE not the frigging protocol. Shielding is what differetiates regular RCA interconects from those used in SPDIF connections! So called SPDIF CABLES work in either scenario! Do you have a comprehension impediment or are just a roving troll?
ITS simply a 75 Ohm wire with a copper shield terminated in RCA ends. READ the SPDIF WIRE specs! The data specs for SPDIF are absolutely moot for the purpose of analog use.

OK, that would be a "yes."

 

[AdamG]

The one that seems to be lacking in comprehension is you! We are talking about the CABLE not the frigging protocol. Shielding is what differetiates regular RCA interconects from those used in SPDIF connections! So called SPDIF CABLES work in either scenario! Do you have a comprehension impediment or are just a roving troll?
ITS simply a 75 Ohm wire with a copper shield terminated in RCA ends. READ the SPDIF WIRE specs! The data specs for SPDIF are absolutely moot for the purpose of analog use.

You have already been warned. We do not permit personal insults in any form here. You may attack, argue, debate the science and substance of what others say. But we do not allow attacks on the person or insulting comments. So dial back the snark and anger and communicate with respect and dignity for others.

 

[sam_adams]

@AdamG, maybe it is time to discuss with the other mods and the boss about locking old discussions—say no new posts within three or six months—to reduce incidents such as this.

 

[WisEd]

OK, that would be a "yes."

Thank you. I've only been in this hobby for 45 yrs....

 

[Ropeburn]

What should I do about my optical fiber which also transmits data via SPDIF protocol?

Obviously you're supposed to use a shielded fibre optic cable with gold plated plugs for best contact.

 

[SIY]

Obviously you're supposed to use a shielded fibre optic cable with gold plated plugs for best contact.

It has to have a copper shield, otherwise it's AES/EBU.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Are ADAT fiber optic cables shielded or not shielded? Confused.......

 

[A Surfer]

Thank you. I've only been in this hobby for 45 yrs....

To be fair, I've been in this hobby for pretty much as long and I know jack shit from an engineering perspective. The gentleman you are sparing with is not only experienced in the hobby, he has quite a bit of technical knowledge and relevant professional experience.

I am not saying that you lack technical knowledge, you could be an expert, but in a community like this, making an argument anchored with the argument that you've been a long time hobbyist, doesn't really carry significant weight. It isn't that your experience and passion isn't valued, but we tend to value actual expertise differently.

 

[Hayabusa]

Hello there,

First of all thanks for the forum and all the great work you do for the audio community. I’ve suffered from many of the audio myths myself.

I ended with a nice setup that satisfy me biamping a three way pair of speakers with no passive cx for lows, and using an Analog cx. Listening both digital and vinyl.

Particulary I was fooled with cables. Now I’m convinced by evidence and engineers that power cables do not change the sound, well made xlr cables do not change the sound (not active), digital cables do not change the sound (Sadly as I’ve spent A LOT on an usb and I2s cable), and speaker cables or rca cables might change the sound but so so little you Probably won’t be able to hear it.

But I’m not sure about phono cables. Same? Or phono cables are diferent due to the particular low voltaje capsules transmit?

Thanks a lot and sorry if this has been already talked about… any way hope this still acts as my presentation and greetings.

Regards from spain!
Pablo

The cabling inside the arm is kind of special: twisted pair and very thin to make sure the weight is not too much and flexible enough to not influence the arm movement.

 

[Hayabusa]

Are ADAT fiber optic cables shielded or not shielded? Confused.......

??? no!

 

[WisEd]

To be fair, I've been in this hobby for pretty much as long and I know jack shit from an engineering perspective. The gentleman you are sparing with is not only experienced in the hobby, he has quite a bit of technical knowledge and relevant professional experience.

I am not saying that you lack technical knowledge, you could be an expert, but in a community like this, making an argument anchored with the argument that you've been a long time hobbyist, doesn't really carry significant weight. It isn't that your experience and passion isn't valued, but we tend to value actual expertise differently.

How about on the fact that I was right and posted the appropriate article proving it so, all the way in the beginning of the conversation? Yet the individual obstinately argued the opposite? If that is showing expirience in the hobby thats a problem. Unfortunately, it's aproblem shared in many audio forums. I started the conversation with useful factual information and some "expert" degenerates the whole thing just to be argumentative despite being absolutely wrong..

 

[kemmler3D]

SPDIF is a fully shielded cable with RCA connectors.

SPDIF stands for Sony/Philips Digital Interface and refers to a digital audio signal format. It's not a cable any more than OGG or FLAC are.

It is typically transmitted using coaxial cables using BNC or RCA connectors, and commonly over fiber-optic TOSLINK (Toshiba Link) cables.

This is pretty much just a rewrite of the intro to the wikipedia article on SPDIF.

This might seem pedantic, but without pedantry this forum would have about half the posts it does.

 

[Beave]

It's fascinating watching a person digging deeper when they find themself in a hole.

 

[Blumlein 88]

So if this thread is used for training an LLM, I fear the answer it gives is going to be wrong.