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15 worst cars ever designed?

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The closest I ever came to owning one of these was the AMC Hornet with the same stupid, vacuum operated windshield wipers. But fortunately stayed away from the rest. What about you and do you agree with the list?

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BTW, I really like the look of this Fiat in the list:

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Sure is cute. :)
 

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I'm a sucker for these 10 best, 20 worst, etc, lists - and of course there are 100's of vehicles that could have made this particular list. In our part of the world one of the beauties was the 70's Leyland P76 - effectively a British car with all the worse qualities of that breed at the time, trying hard to look as big as possible:

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It was an instant failure ...
 

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I had one on the list.

I found a piece of chrome trim from it in the garage a few days ago. What's this? Oh, yeah.

It was a white '73 hatchback Pinto ($2368) with the 2.0 engine and 4-speed transmission, for 11 years, and 165,00 miles. No AC, so it wasn't perfect, but AC wasn't in every car back then, anyway. I think the engine was a German Ford import, since it had metric bolts, and the rest of the car didn't.

It was recalled to put a thick black plastic diaper under the tank straps between the tank and and the differential so the differential bolt heads wouldn't puncture the tank in a rear-end collision and set you on fire.

I put a Pioneer Supertuner in it and had a pair of home speakers with 12" woofer and a tweeter in the back.

It towed an old wooden day cruiser for a friend in St Petersburg at least once. It was way too much load for the car. People at the boat ramp were laughing "You'll never pull it out!". The ramp was wide enough, so I set up the car at 90 degrees to the trailer, we winched the boat up, and by starting sideways on the ramp it came right out, much to the dismay of the expectant onlookers who, no doubt, all had proper boat yanking vehicles .

Spent a summer in Montreal and Chazy Lake New York with it. We stuffed a 400cc Suzuki Enduro in the back and took it from the apartment to the lake. It crossed 100k miles just north of New York City where the yellow puffs of sulphur laden smog would first pop over the hills as you approached the city from the north (still maybe 50 miles away).

It propelled me into the beginnings of my Telecom Career in 1983, hired out of Tampa, drive for a little training in Dallas, drive on to Hotchkiss Colorado for a couple of months, then on to Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania, and on to Concord Tennessee. That was my first trip West.

It began eating timing belts (non-interference engine), and I became able to change the belt in 10 minutes or less with a crescent wrench and a 3 ft length of broomstick for leverage. The last time it happened it was driving back to Wilkes-Barry from Atlantic City, and I didn't have a spare belt, so I crawled in the back and went took a nap. Upon waking, I saw I was in sight of a Ford Dealer, walked, waited a few minutes for the Parts Department to open, got a belt, and was on my way again.

At least twice, it just stopped running, but if you removed the distributor cap and jiggled the points it was good again.

It got bumped in the right rear corner hard enough to mess up the hatchback, and was retired in November 1984.

It had electric wipers. So, it wasn't the worst car.

That honor (for me) went to a Fiat, in which I had a $10 equity share, which we never got running. I suppose we really didn't know what we were doing, looking back on it. We accidentally rolled it trying to push start it with another car one day. Decided that was fun enough to get our money's worth, and rolled it a few more times, then abandoned it.
 

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On the car theme and tying that in with audio, I was just reminded of car radio sound. 25 years ago we went to Europe and had the smallest Citroen one could hire, which was brand new - it was a tax dodge in France. Tiny engine, it had to be hammered on the motorways to keep up - but the radio was great! Very clean, full sound, it made it pleasurable to hear what the Europeans were listening to - all British and American music, quite hilarious, we thought!!

A distant relative we caught up with had an autobahn roller, a current S class MB with big donk - effortless high speed cruising, naturally. Then, turned on the radio for some music - oh, dear!! Flat, thick sound - this was crap, I was pleased when he turned it off ... so, things don't always follow as one thinks they would or should ...
 
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I'm a sucker for these 10 best, 20 worst, etc, lists - and of course there are 100's of vehicles that could have made this particular list. In our part of the world one of the beauties was the 70's Leyland P76 - effectively a British car with all the worse qualities of that breed at the time, trying hard to look as big as possible:

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It was an instant failure ...
The lines in that car today look pretty nice! It is like a less bulky versions of our 1970s cars which people buy left and right and refurbish.
 

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Depends which part of the world you grew up in! To our eyes it was far too bulky, and it just wasn't built well enough. The coupe version was far more successful as a design exercise, but only a few samples exist ...

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I enjoyed the authors use of "perceived problems" hitting the issue right on the head a number of times. Some know nothing idiot like Ralph Nader comes along making a bundle on misrepresented "facts" such as the Corvair and his book unsafe at any speed. Really put a dent in GM's image in general and killed what was really a pretty good little car in it's day. A greatly improved version of the air cooled VW Beetle yet today the bug is a cult classic and the Corvair a bit less so. LOL
Nader did more to hurt the auto industry than any other single person I can think of and did so on a pile of BS
 
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Depends which part of the world you grew up in! To our eyes it was far too bulky, and it just wasn't built well enough.
Oh my comment is in the context of today when people pay a ton of money to restore our cars of that era.
 

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A greatly improved version of the air cooled VW Beetle yet today the bug is a cult classic and the Corvair a bit less so. LOL
Nader did more to hurt the auto industry than any other single person I can think of and did so on a pile of BS
The ol' swing axle gotcha, eh ... well, it got me!! First car was a beetle with the ultra simple version of that suspension, and driving home on holidays within the first year of ownership, down a dirt road just for the heck of it - round a very sandy corner at a very mild speed ... over she goes!! Hanging upside down from a seat belt I was smart enough to have had installed, I contemplated the box of apples I had bought just a short distance before from a fruit stand, strewn everywhere outside the car ...

I ended up getting half my money back that I had paid for the poor thing, from a wrecker - I was quite pleased about that!
 

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I would say the list is not a bad one. Were I making my own it might be different. Or a few of these might make it. Of course I remember when most cars had vacuum operated wipers. When new everything was alright. They didn't age well however. If I removed one it might be the Pacer oddly enough. It suffered like all American Motors cars from that company mixing hand me down designs from GM and Ford. Like Ford engine block, GM type ignition, American Motors designed head etc. etc and Ford AC system. Still it had some odd collection of design innovations that made it less than the sum of its parts. Like having the right door a few inches longer than the left. So passengers in front and back seats had more space to enter and exit. Of course why not have that on both sides???? Okay so I convinced myself, it does belong on the list.

I would have replaced the Pinto with the Mustang II. It was like a bad version of the Pinto it just got less publicity. I also would work the Chevy Citation onto the list. What a yuck car.

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The lines in that car today look pretty nice! It is like a less bulky versions of our 1970s cars which people buy left and right and refurbish.

It looks OK from the front, lard-assed from the rear... one story was that the boot/trunk was designed to be big enough to hold a 44-gallon drum.

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Yep ...

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Of course I remember when most cars had vacuum operated wipers. When new everything was alright. They didn't age well however. If I removed one it might be the Pacer oddly enough. It suffered like all American Motors cars from that company mixing hand me down designs from GM and Ford.
Worked at a AMC dealer back in the very early 70s, my ex-fatherinlaw owned the place. We got in a used AMX that I squeezed him into letting me have for a demo. Took it in the back to my bench and warmed it up some without his knowledge. :eek: Great little pony car, I kicked a lot of ass on the street with it. Got in a bunch of trouble with the cops too. LOL
I also remember having a few old early 50s cars with vacuum wipers, stop at the light to idle and they'd almost come to a stop. If it was raining hard you'd gun it a little to keep em moving. :D
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In Britain, the Austin Allegro is usually cited as the worst car ever. There was a version trimmed in wood and leather that attracts particular derision, but I have quite a soft spot for it.

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In Britain, the Austin Allegro is usually cited as the worst car ever. There was a version trimmed in wood and leather that attracts particular derision, but I have quite a soft spot for it.

A Baby Bentley.

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My Pinto hatchback was a '71. Canary yellow. I totaled it. Fortunately it didn't blow up.

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I'm a sucker for these 10 best, 20 worst, etc, lists - and of course there are 100's of vehicles that could have made this particular list. In our part of the world one of the beauties was the 70's Leyland P76 - effectively a British car with all the worse qualities of that breed at the time, trying hard to look as big as possible:

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It was an instant failure ...

Frank, I'm going to mildly disagree with you on the P76. It was no beauty bit I think it had the potential to get better. It was just that British Leyland was on its way out in Australia. Like most of their cars at the time quality was pretty poor but the P76 didn't drive too badly. The car was light for its size and the reworked 4.4 litre Rover alloy V8 was quite an economical engine. I think the late, unlamented Morris Marina was worse.
As an aside, I mentioned in another thread that years ago I was a car salesman. A friend asked me to value a car for a deceased estate. So on a little farm owned by an old lady, in a falling-down shed with a dirt floor (that's probably a barn for our US friends), was a P76 covered in years of dust and looking as though rats were living in it. Amazingly, underneath the dust, the deep blue paint was undented and unscratched. The upholstery was in good condition and it was the V8 model. I valued it quite high (for a P76) at the time. I happened to mention it to another friend and he approached the Executor of the estate and purchased the car. An oil change, a new battery and a very good detail and he had a very nice car which gave him years of trouble-free motoring for him and his growing family.
Getting back to the Morris Marina (the 6 cylinder one), Don Selby (an aftermarket suspension specialist) used to say that he could make most ordinary cars handle well, but the best he could do with the Marina 6 cyl. was to make it handle like an ordinary car.
 

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1974 Gremlin here, it was like an encyclopedia article on "what is a car?". You could fix anything without knowing much more than high school level "how thinks work". I have many silly stories about it.
 

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Necro thread. ;)

My wife owned a Pinto before we met. She had upgraded to a Toyota sports car (Celica? I'm more a truck guy) by "my" time.

One of my pre-med sociology courses was on Social Deviance and the second part was Elite Deviance. The Pinto decision was discussed along with Ford memos and court records. A triumph of the bean counters over engineering that went horribly wrong.
 
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