KEF Blade 2 Meta review by Erin's Audio Corner

[CleanSound]

Would it be enough to buy a copy of their production? Would it be interesting if Blades owners like Kal auditioned? I am sure that their production is of high quality.
https://trptk.com/shop/

I'm sure their production is of high quality. And yes, I would buy some tracks from them, but it would be because I like the track musically not because they mixed and mastered it with the Blade 2 Meta.

 

[CleanSound]

Would it be enough to buy a copy of their production? Would it be interesting if Blades owners like Kal auditioned? I am sure that their production is of high quality.
https://trptk.com/shop/

On the other hand, if a track is mixed and mastered with some crappy monitor speakers, I would really have to like the track musically to buy it.

 

[slaweks]

with W371A in continued directivity mode? There's a sudden jump in the gradient around 200Hz in Blades with a dip in on axis response where the side woofers crossover is at, the W371A is still cardioid 2 octaves lower

But W371A is hissing, and Blades with a good amplifier are not.

 

[Ron Texas]

On the other hand Erin said subjectively there is no comparison to the LS60 and from my own listening experiences (unfortunately in different places and times) I can confirm that.

There is a bit of ambiguity here. Is it the LS50 or Blade which Erin said had no comparison to the LS60? Keith has said an LS50 with a sub or subs is nearly as good as the LS60. Both suffer from limited dynamic range although that's ok in smaller rooms.

 

[holdingpants01]

But W371A is hissing, and Blades with a good amplifier are not.

lol, no, not noticeable anymore and every high power amplifier will hiss to some extend, most people are not noticing it but it doesn't mean it's not there

 

[slaweks]

lol, no, not noticeable anymore and every high power amplifier will hiss to some extend, most people are not noticing it but it doesn't mean it's not there

No, good amplifiers do not hiss. I can't hear any hiss from my setup, even 1 inch from the speaker and power maxed.

 

[slaweks]

lol, no, not noticeable anymore and every high power amplifier will hiss to some extend, most people are not noticing it but it doesn't mean it's not there

What about this: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...elec-w371a-self-noise-and-modification.46943/

 

[CleanSound]

No, good amplifiers do not hiss. I can't hear any hiss from my setup, even 1 inch from the speaker and power maxed.

There is an experiment done by a member (I can't remember who and where, but it was under either a Genelec or Neumann thread), that demonstrated for passive speakers, even with a very high SINAD, once you take away the xover (which in itself serves as a band filter), there is audible hissing.

 

[holdingpants01]

No, good amplifiers do not hiss. I can't hear any hiss from my setup, even 1 inch from the speaker and power maxed.

Exactly what I meant, it's purely anecdotal and subjective, doesn't mean it's not hissing

What about this: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...elec-w371a-self-noise-and-modification.46943/

what about it? that's my thread, just read it to the end

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Would it be interesting if Blades owners like Kal auditioned? I am sure that their production is of high quality.
https://trptk.com/shop/

Indeed, I find their recordings consistently satisfying. OTOH, the same can be said about a number of other sources as well.

 

[bo_knows]

https://trptk.com/studio/

I don't see multiple subwoofers all over the floor.

 

[thewas]

But W371A is hissing, and Blades with a good amplifier are not.

Plus at the chances to fail and get repaired as well the cost of such a passive setup has advantages, although truth to be said Genelec has till now also a great history in that section.

 

[thewas]

There is a bit of ambiguity here. Is it the LS50 or Blade which Erin said had no comparison to the LS60? Keith has said an LS50 with a sub or subs is nearly as good as the LS60. Both suffer from limited dynamic range although that's ok in smaller rooms.

He says that the sound of the LS60 is not comparable to the Blade and from my own limited listening experiences of both I tend to agree.

 

[Ron Texas]

But W371A is hissing, and Blades with a good amplifier are not.

Hiss is a problem with a lot of active speakers. In a teardown done here on a respected active monitor the chip amp was found to have a SINAD in the 75-80 Db range. It connects directly to the driver so there is no attenuation from a passive network. In a studio there is likely enough ambient noise to mask the hiss. On a desktop in a home it's a different story.

He says that the sound of the LS60 is not comparable to the Blade and from my own limited listening experiences of both I tend to agree.

Thanks, that makes sense to me. I suspect the big difference is in dynamics.

 

[tmtomh]

There is an experiment done by a member (I can't remember who and where, but it was under either a Genelec or Neumann thread), that demonstrated for passive speakers, even with a very high SINAD, once you take away the xover (which in itself serves as a band filter), there is audible hissing.

I think you've hit on the core issue - it's the different relationship between the crossover network and the amplification in passives vs actives.

 

[MacClintock]

https://trptk.com/studio/

Wow, amazing, beautiful. There was some investment done here, and extremely tastefully at that. Anybody correct me, but I have hardly seen any high-end studio with passive speakers.

 

[holdingpants01]

Wow, amazing, beautiful. There was some investment done here, and extremely tastefully at that. Anybody correct me, but I have hardly seen any high-end studio with passive speakers.

Quite a lot of mastering studios use regular hifi speakers, plus all of these that work on B&Ws, like Abbey Road and a lot of classical music studios. There is a small number of passive studio monitor manufacturers: Amphion, some small ATCs, Strauss Elektroakustik, Quested

 

[CleanSound]

plus all of these that work on B&Ws, like Abbey Road and a lot of classical music studios.

Knowing how B&W measures and how colored they are. This is either a marketing gimmick or a joke that knocked me to the floor laughing.

 

[FrankF]

Wow, amazing, beautiful. There was some investment done here, and extremely tastefully at that. Anybody correct me, but I have hardly seen any high-end studio with passive speakers.

What! No cable lifters. Total fail!

 

[fredoamigo]

Anybody correct me, but I have hardly seen any high-end studio with passive speakers.

There are a lot of mainly "Big listens" here from Kinoshita. Passives are used less for mixing but more for mastering.