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What you need to know about the virus in China "2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)"

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La tasa de multiplicación del virus baja a 1,05 y España se queda al borde de revertir la curva de contagios
[Spanish] https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/multiplicacion-Espana-acerca-expansion-epidemia_0_1012799050.html

The virus multiplication rate drops to 1.05 and Spain remains on the verge of reversing the contagion curve
https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/multiplicacion-Espana-acerca-expansion-epidemia_0_1012799050.html

Basic reproductive number in each autonomous community
The basic reproductive number (R0) is the average of secondary cases of a disease caused by a primary case

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"Presymptomatic transmission was defined as the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from an infected person (source patient) to a secondary patient before the source patient developed symptoms.... Seven COVID-19 epidemiologic clusters in which presymptomatic transmission likely occurred were identified [in Singapore], and 10 such cases within these clusters accounted for 6.4% of the 157 locally acquired cases. In the four clusters for which the date of exposure could be determined, presymptomatic transmission occurred 1–3 days before symptom onset in the presymptomatic source patient."

"Examination of serial intervals (i.e., the number of days between symptom onsets in a primary case and a secondary case) in China suggested that 12.6% of transmission was presymptomatic."
 

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https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...oor-judgement-over-coronavirus-letter/164336/

The commander of USS Theodore Roosevelt, who sounded the alarm about a COVID-19 outbreak aboard his aircraft carrier, has been relieved of command by the acting Navy secretary.

Capt. Brett Crozier “demonstrated extremely poor judgement in the midst of a crisis” by sending a four-page request for urgent help to people outside his chain of command, Thomas Modly told reporters Thursday afternoon.

The carrier pulled into Guam on Friday after several COVID-sickened sailors had been medevaced off the ship. Crozier soon began sending sailors ashore to accommodations where they could isolate themselves, but became concerned that a lack of rooms on Guam was slowing the evacuation. A total of 114 Roosevelt sailors have tested positive for the coronavirus, and the ultimate number will probably be “in the hundreds,” Modly said.

Modly said Crozier could have “walked down the hall” to his immediate boss, the admiral in charge of the carrier’s strike group, or expressed his concerns in one of his conversations with Modly’s chief of staff. Instead, Crozier sent his March 30 letter over unsecure email to multiple Navy leaders in and outside his chain of command, and it made its way to the San Francisco Chronicle, which published it on Tuesday.
 

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"Capt. Brett Crozier “demonstrated extremely poor judgement in the midst of a crisis” by sending a four-page request for urgent help to people outside his chain of command, Thomas Modly told reporters Thursday afternoon."

Text of message: (scroll down) https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...raft-carrier-with-15167883.php#photo-19241846

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Anybody see a resemblance?

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Anyone never "relieved of duty" before, speak up now.
 
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Hey.

I have a question. Does anyone know if your an organ donor and you die from covid can they still use your organs ? Not sure why this came into my brain but it did.

Thanks

The general rules are there

https://www.cdc.gov/transplantsafety/protecting-patient/screening-testing.html

what you want to do is screen usable donors (say a car crash victim) for most asymptomatic and chronic stuff, hepatis, cmv, hiv etc... because, obviously, most of the recipient's immune systems will be intentionally depressed. Known acute infection is likely to be an exclusion cause, even more so if it is not curable.

It should also be noted that the patients dying of COVID aren't dying in good shape, their kidneys are often damaged, and multiple organ failure is frequent.

Last but not least, who would expose two transplant teams to a highly contagious disease?
 

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Humans can learn from their cousins about coronavirus precautions- this from Florida, where many humans are still not taking the threat of COVID-19 seriously...

 

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"Capt. Brett Crozier “demonstrated extremely poor judgement in the midst of a crisis” by sending a four-page request for urgent help to people outside his chain of command, Thomas Modly told reporters Thursday afternoon."

Text of message: (scroll down) https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...raft-carrier-with-15167883.php#photo-19241846

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Anybody see a resemblance?

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Anyone never "relieved of duty" before, speak up now.

That's what happens when you make a narcissistic boss look bad.
 
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HKUMed research suggested surgical masks could prevent transmission of seasonal coronaviruses from symptomatic people

03 Apr 2020

Surgical face masks may be effective in preventing the transmission of seasonal coronaviruses and influenza virus from symptomatic individuals, based on a study conducted by researchers at the WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control, School of Public Health, LKS Faculty of Medicine of the University of Hong Kong (HKUMed) and the University of Maryland. In the study, masks were shown to reduce the detection of influenza virus in respiratory droplets and seasonal coronaviruses in droplets and aerosols. Further research is needed to determine whether masks can specifically prevent the transmission of SARS-CoV-2, which is closely related to seasonal coronaviruses. The findings are now published in the journal Nature Medicine [link to publication].

Previous research had shown that respiratory viral infections, including those caused by coronaviruses, spread between humans mostly through close contact. However, there is no direct evidence of how influenza and coronaviruses spread between individuals who are in close proximity – whether by direct contact, large respiratory droplets, or through breathing another person’s exhaled breath. Respiratory viruses can also survive in the environment and potentially spread through indirect contact. Larger respiratory droplets, which fall near the source, as well as aerosols of smaller fine particles can both contain virus and cause short-range transmission. In addition, aerosols can remain in the air for longer and potentially transmit infection over longer distances, particularly if they are generated at higher concentration or if there is little ventilation.

Non-pharmaceutical measures, such as social distancing, handwashing, ventilation, and the use of face masks, could be important measures to prevent viral transmission. Although the use of face masks has been suggested as a strategy to slow down the transmission of influenza virus, little is known about the relative importance of this strategy in the transmission of other respiratory viruses, including seasonal coronaviruses.

Dr Nancy Leung Hiu-lan, Research Assistant Professor of School of Public Health, HKUMed and the research team recruited 246 people with suspected respiratory viral infections to breathe into a machine — the Gesundheit II — to compare the relative amount of virus in exhaled breath with or without a surgical face mask. The research team provided the same type of surgical mask to all the participants and ensured it was worn correctly.

“In 111 people infected by either coronavirus, influenza virus or rhinovirus, masks reduced detectable virus in respiratory droplets and aerosols for seasonal coronaviruses, and in respiratory droplets for influenza virus. In contrast, masks did not reduce the emission of rhinoviruses.” said Dr Leung.

SARS-CoV-2 and seasonal coronaviruses are closely related and may be of similar particle size. Professor Benjamin Cowling, Division Head of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, School of Public Health, HKUMed, and Co-Director of the WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control, expressed, “the ability of surgical masks to reduce seasonal coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols implies that such masks can contribute to slowing the spread of SARS-CoV-2 when worn by infected people.”

About the research team

The research was conducted by a team led by Professor Benjamin Cowling, Division Head of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, School of Public Health, HKUMed, and Co-Director of the WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control.

The project was supported by the General Research Fund of the University Grants Committee [Grant No. 765811], the Health and Medical Research Fund [Grant No. 13120592] and a commissioned grant from the Food and Health Bureau and the Theme-based Research Scheme [Project No. T11-705/14-N] of the Research Grants Council of the Hong Kong SAR Government.

About the WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control, School of Public Health, HKUMed

The School of Public Health, LKS Faculty of Medicine of The University of Hong Kong (HKUSPH) has a long and distinguished history in public health education and high impact research. With world leading research in infectious diseases as well as on non-communicable diseases of both local and global importance, the School has made significant contributions through its research and advocacy to improve the health of populations and individuals, both locally and globally. The School is a leading research and teaching hub in public health on influenza and other emerging viruses, control of non-communicable and infectious diseases, tobacco control, air pollution, psycho-oncology, behavioural sciences, exercise science, life-course epidemiology, and health economics, health services planning and management. Work done by HKUSPH researchers has informed international (e.g. the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization), national and local public health policies.

The School of Public Health hosts the WHO Collaborating Centre (WHO CC) for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control. With a view to protecting the public's health in Hong Kong and across the region, the WHO CC aims to coordinating research on the control and prevention of infectious diseases and providing local and regional education and training in infectious disease epidemiology and control. Members of the WHO CC are involved in the response to COVID-19 and conducted a range of scientific research projects. The team has created a website to share the latest scientific findings and the implications for evidence-based public health policies on the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak [link to website: https://covid19.sph.hku.hk/].
 

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The maximum recommended dose is 40 mg / day. These pills are 25 mg.

Logically I will stop taking it a few weeks after the return to the new normal. In October I will start again. Sure when a regrowth is detected in a big city with international airport and widely used public transport. It is the advantage of living in a small city, with near only a small touristic airport (Reus).
Yes, I also read that, so I ordered zinc picolinate 15 mg and have been taking that for a few months now. Hopefully, that dose is okay to take for a while. I've also been taking vitamin D3 5000 iu/day for many years. Also started taking magnesium chloride a few months ago. I also take turmeric for its anti-inflammatory properties. I think I read that this cytokine storm that your body can set off after infection with covid-19 causes inflammation. Oh, well, there's no guarantee, but we can try to mitigate it if we become infected.
 

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....problem with anti-vaxers vs. the rest of society.

Hi Scott

Corona virus has shown what can happen with a disease when there are no vaccinations.
I expect this example will make it much harder for anti-vaxers to sell their story.
Of course, once people are emotionally invested then no amount of evidence or rational debate is very effective.
See any "audiophile" blind test discussion,:facepalm: not to mention politics etc.
But I do think they will have a hard time to win many converts for quite a while.
I also expect there will be less tolerance of anti-vax behaviour, as a threat to community health.
Am I too optimistic?

Best wishes
David
 

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Am I too optimistic?

Depends on the problems they can come up with and quote when the vaccine becomes available.

Example menu from which they could choose:


Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking ibuprofen:

More common
  • Abdominal pain
  • acid or sour stomach
  • belching
  • bloating
  • cloudy urine
  • decrease in amount of urine
  • decrease in urine output or decrease in urine-concentrating ability
  • diarrhea
  • difficulty having a bowel movement (stool)
  • excess air or gas in stomach or intestines
  • full feeling
  • heartburn
  • indigestion
  • itching skin
  • pain or discomfort in chest, upper stomach, or throat
  • pale skin
  • passing gas
  • nausea
  • noisy, rattling breathing
  • rash with flat lesions or small raised lesions on the skin
  • shortness of breath
  • swelling of face, fingers, hands, feet, lower legs, or ankles
  • troubled breathing at rest
  • troubled breathing with exertion
  • unusual bleeding or bruising
  • unusual tiredness or weakness
  • vomiting
  • weight gain
Less common
  • Abdominal cramps
  • stomach soreness or discomfort
Rare
  • Agitation
  • back, leg, or stomach pains
  • bleeding gums
  • blistering, peeling, loosening of skin
  • blood in urine or stools
  • bloody, black, or tarry stools
  • blurred vision
  • burning feeling in chest or stomach
  • change in vision
  • chest pain
  • chills
  • clay-colored stools
  • coma
  • confusion
  • constipation
  • cough or hoarseness
  • dark urine
  • decreased urine output
  • depression
  • difficulty breathing
  • difficulty swallowing
  • dilated neck veins
  • dizziness
  • dry mouth
  • extreme fatigue
  • fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
  • fever with or without chills
  • frequent urination
  • general body swelling
  • general feeling of tiredness or weakness
  • hair loss, thinning of hair
  • headache
  • hives or welts
  • hostility
  • impaired vision
  • increased blood pressure
  • increased volume of pale, dilute urine
  • irregular breathing
  • irritability
  • itching
  • joint or muscle pain
  • lab results that show problems with liver
  • lethargy
  • light-colored stools
  • loss of appetite
  • lower back or side pain
  • muscle twitching
  • nosebleeds
  • painful or difficult urination
  • pains in stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
  • pinpoint red spots on skin
  • puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
  • rash
  • red skin lesions, often with a purple center
  • red, irritated eyes
  • redness of skin
  • seizures
  • severe abdominal pain, cramping, burning
  • severe and continuing nausea
  • sore throat
  • sores, ulcers, or white spots in mouth or on lips
  • stiff neck or back
  • stomach upset
  • stupor
  • swollen or painful glands
  • tenderness in stomach area
  • thirst
  • tightness in chest
  • unpleasant breath odor
  • upper right abdominal pain
  • vomiting of blood
  • vomiting of material that looks like coffee grounds
  • wheezing
  • yellow eyes and skin
Symptoms of overdose
  • Bluish lips or skin
  • difficulty sleeping
  • disorientation
  • dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
  • drowsiness to profound coma
  • hallucination
  • lightheadedness or fainting
  • mood or other mental changes
  • muscle tremors
  • not breathing
  • rapid, deep breathing
  • restlessness
  • slow or irregular heartbeat
  • stomach cramps
  • sudden fainting
  • sweating
Some side effects of ibuprofen may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects. Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them:

More common
  • Continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in ears
  • hearing loss
  • nervousness
Rare

  • Crying
  • depersonalization
  • discouragement
  • dry eyes
  • dysphoria
  • euphoria
  • feeling sad or empty
  • lack of appetite
  • loss of interest or pleasure
  • mental depression
  • paranoia
  • quick to react or overreact
  • rapidly changing moods
  • runny nose
  • sleepiness or unusual drowsiness
  • sleeplessness
  • sneezing
  • stuffy nose
  • trouble concentrating
  • trouble sleeping
  • unable to sleep
 
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That's what happens when you make a narcissistic boss look bad.

He leaves with his respect and honour intact and his head held high, he did all he could to protect the men and women in his command.

He is the type that can lead troops in a war because his troops know they can implicitly trust their leader with their life.
 

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Depends on the problems they can come up and quote with when the vaccine becomes available.

Example menu from which they could choose:


Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking ibuprofen:

More common
  • Abdominal pain
  • acid or sour stomach
  • belching
  • bloating
  • cloudy urine
  • decrease in amount of urine
  • decrease in urine output or decrease in urine-concentrating ability
  • diarrhea
  • difficulty having a bowel movement (stool)
  • excess air or gas in stomach or intestines
  • full feeling
  • heartburn
  • indigestion
  • itching skin
  • pain or discomfort in chest, upper stomach, or throat
  • pale skin
  • passing gas
  • nausea
  • noisy, rattling breathing
  • rash with flat lesions or small raised lesions on the skin
  • shortness of breath
  • swelling of face, fingers, hands, feet, lower legs, or ankles
  • troubled breathing at rest
  • troubled breathing with exertion
  • unusual bleeding or bruising
  • unusual tiredness or weakness
  • vomiting
  • weight gain
Less common
  • Abdominal cramps
  • stomach soreness or discomfort
Rare
  • Agitation
  • back, leg, or stomach pains
  • bleeding gums
  • blistering, peeling, loosening of skin
  • blood in urine or stools
  • bloody, black, or tarry stools
  • blurred vision
  • burning feeling in chest or stomach
  • change in vision
  • chest pain
  • chills
  • clay-colored stools
  • coma
  • confusion
  • constipation
  • cough or hoarseness
  • dark urine
  • decreased urine output
  • depression
  • difficulty breathing
  • difficulty swallowing
  • dilated neck veins
  • dizziness
  • dry mouth
  • extreme fatigue
  • fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
  • fever with or without chills
  • frequent urination
  • general body swelling
  • general feeling of tiredness or weakness
  • hair loss, thinning of hair
  • headache
  • hives or welts
  • hostility
  • impaired vision
  • increased blood pressure
  • increased volume of pale, dilute urine
  • irregular breathing
  • irritability
  • itching
  • joint or muscle pain
  • lab results that show problems with liver
  • lethargy
  • light-colored stools
  • loss of appetite
  • lower back or side pain
  • muscle twitching
  • nosebleeds
  • painful or difficult urination
  • pains in stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
  • pinpoint red spots on skin
  • puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
  • rash
  • red skin lesions, often with a purple center
  • red, irritated eyes
  • redness of skin
  • seizures
  • severe abdominal pain, cramping, burning
  • severe and continuing nausea
  • sore throat
  • sores, ulcers, or white spots in mouth or on lips
  • stiff neck or back
  • stomach upset
  • stupor
  • swollen or painful glands
  • tenderness in stomach area
  • thirst
  • tightness in chest
  • unpleasant breath odor
  • upper right abdominal pain
  • vomiting of blood
  • vomiting of material that looks like coffee grounds
  • wheezing
  • yellow eyes and skin
Symptoms of overdose
  • Bluish lips or skin
  • difficulty sleeping
  • disorientation
  • dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
  • drowsiness to profound coma
  • hallucination
  • lightheadedness or fainting
  • mood or other mental changes
  • muscle tremors
  • not breathing
  • rapid, deep breathing
  • restlessness
  • slow or irregular heartbeat
  • stomach cramps
  • sudden fainting
  • sweating
Some side effects of ibuprofen may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects. Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them:

More common
  • Continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in ears
  • hearing loss
  • nervousness
Rare

  • Crying
  • depersonalization
  • discouragement
  • dry eyes
  • dysphoria
  • euphoria
  • feeling sad or empty
  • lack of appetite
  • loss of interest or pleasure
  • mental depression
  • paranoia
  • quick to react or overreact
  • rapidly changing moods
  • runny nose
  • sleepiness or unusual drowsiness
  • sleeplessness
  • sneezing
  • stuffy nose
  • trouble concentrating
  • trouble sleeping
  • unable to sleep

At that rate, being alive is a side effect :)
 

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He leaves with his respect and honour intact and his head held high

Maybe, but...

You're expected to follow the rules when somebody loans you a nuclear powered (and possibly) nuclear armed carrier to command.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/coronavirus-aircraft-carrier-roosevelt.html

Thomas B. Modly, the acting Navy secretary, said Captain Crozier was fired because the growing coronavirus outbreak “overwhelmed his ability to act professionally.” The leadership issue, Mr. Modly noted, was that Captain Crozier did not go through the military’s formal chain of command, but sent the letter on an unclassified email system to 20 to 30 people.

The letter created a panic on the ship and among the crew’s families when it was made public, Mr. Modly said. He noted that there was no evidence that Captain Crozier leaked the message.

“In sending it out pretty broadly, he did not take care to ensure that it couldn’t be leaked,” Mr. Modly said. “And that’s part of his responsibility.”

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It wouldn't seem to be an unprecedented situation...

https://www.google.com/search?q=naval+rules+for+epidemic+onboard+ship&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS778US778&sxsrf=ALeKk00c4OooAMhinYdHmfpJlKmCE5ga6Q:1585984484188&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:2019&tbm=
 
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That's the problem with so many areas and levels of government - any government (or organization for that matter).

The fine line that separates a "whistle-blower" and a "traitor" is often only able to be determined after many years have passed and is usually completely different depending on one's proximity to the incident or ideology. The number of silenced victims and sheltered perpetrators in Hollywood, the Catholic Church, numerous athletic programs, and the government are obvious examples.

Consider people like Edward Snowden - hero and patriot, or traitor and criminal... it mostly depends on who writes your paycheck. :rolleyes:

In a roundabout way, this also applies to the anti-vaxers... since many (though certainly not all) cite a history of deception and corruption within the government as their primary motivation for resisting recommendations. I actually agree with their hatred and distrust of the government myself - I just think avoiding vaccination is a ridiculous way of "fighting back" which only hurts themselves, their loved ones, and the rest of us by association. :confused:
 
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