Don't discard plain stupidityit needs burn-in lol
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those testers on that froum must be paid actors. it isn't even snake-oil, it is a scam
I agree with you, but let's tackle chiropractics first and then the supplement/homeopathic market before bringing down the hammer of justice on audio snake oil.I'm advocating fraud being held to account. Any claim that a drive can improve audio is fraudulent.
I agree with you, but let's tackle chiropractics first and then the supplement/homeopathic market before bringing down the hammer of justice on audio snake oil.
I'm not sure about that. If you go to their product page, they openly list all the parts the device contains, and as long as those parts are what's in the package when you get it, then that part of the deal is sealed. No fraud there. [It's out of stock, by the way. LOL]I'm advocating fraud being held to account. Any claim that a drive can improve audio is fraudulent.
So what? I can sell you a pile of rocks, and tell you exactly what kind of rock they are and where I found them, and also claim al kinds of magical properties these rocks poses. According to you, I’m not fraudulent..I'm not sure about that. If you go to their product page, they openly list all the parts the device contains, and as long as those parts are what's in the package when you get it, then that part of the deal is sealed. No fraud there. [It's out of stock, by the way. LOL]
Of course not.. I also won’t tell you how my magical rocks work.If you read closely, there is really no claim that the drive will improve audio in any specific, measurable way.
Yes! I personally tested my pile of rocks. They are way better than any other rocks you may find.What they claim is that they have done some in-house listening tests, and in their opinion they've come up with a winner. They do claim that their device is designed to 'bring out all the emotion' in music. Are those fraudulent statements?
Doublespeak..They also claim it has been designed by audiophiles for audiophiles. My guess is that is true, as far as it goes.
Yes, all of these things are specially designed to fool people into buying this shit.Does any of that rise to the level of actionable fraud?
Yes it’s different. For one, the stakes are much higher. Secondly, those pies actually taste differently. As for the lite beer.. that is probably a harder argument. At least it tastes different as well.Is it any different than someone claiming that Mrs. Smith's apple pie is better than Marie Callendar's, because Mrs. Smith's pie makes them 'feel' warmer in the stomach, than Marie's pie? Or that Lite beer is 'less filling and tastes great'?
If you are talking about legal fraud, it's probably not that... at least in the case of the SSD. For your rocks? As long as you are not making any specific objective claim about them--a claim that can be disproven, then that would probably not fall under any legal definition of fraud, either.So what? I can sell you a pile of rocks, and tell you exactly what kind of rock they are and where I found them, and also claim al kinds of magical properties these rocks poses. According to you, I’m not fraudulent..
Yeah, that is alway the argument: but they themselves believe it. I really don’t buy that for a second. The whole approach to sales of these things is totally tuned to subjectivity. Clearly they know that objectively they can’t make any claims. Now one can think: these people believe in the audiophile of the gaps argument. Well they might… But it’s far more reasonable to think that they know it’s bullshit and are very aware of the hype and cult following these kinds of products enjoy, and take advantage of this to the fullest.But more importantly, fraud implies an intent to deceive. In your example, if you believed your rocks were really magical, how would that be fraud? With this SSD? My guess is that whomever is behind it really thinks the device is special.
I never said it was unlawful fraud.I mean, think of it this way--, if someone was going to practice true fraud, with the idea of making an unlawful monetary gain, do you think they would do it with something like this?
Development started before the chip shortage issues, so hardly an argument. Profit margin? The cheapest 1TB M2 SDD is 80 euros. This thing is 10x that. I’m pretty sure they make a decent profit.Something that has such a small potential sales market, and something that probably doesn't have much of a profit margin to begin with? And something that they can't even sell, because of the electrical component shortage? No, I think we are dealing with true believers. Not fraudsters
Yes, all of these things are specially designed to fool people into buying this shit.
A guy convicted of high-end racketeering would just spend his prison time working in the electrical shop, thinking up new and improved ways to get that front to back depth his recordings have been missing!The thing is, there's a pretty high risk that the guy making these pointless things doesn't have bad intensions. He probably belives his own BS 100%. Especially since he's "only" asking $700 for it. I bet he sees himself as someone who's doing the hobby a great favour.
Hard prison time for fraud would not do much good. He's just sharing a delusion. Deprogramming would be more effective.
If that's all they were claiming then it wouldn't be a problem, but it's not. They've made claims about asthma, colic, haemorrhoids, hair loss, chlamydia, cancer and more. When a science journalist calls out such claims they sue.Chiropractic manual adjustments do help some back conditions. But this audio product does absolutely nothing. So I think we should start there. lol
I'm not sure about that. If you go to their product page, they openly list all the parts the device contains, and as long as those parts are what's in the package when you get it, then that part of the deal is sealed. No fraud there. [It's out of stock, by the way. LOL]
Revelation Femto SSD | Zzyzx
Femto NVMe M2 SSD designed for audiophiles and music loverszzyzxphile.com
If you read closely, there is really no claim that the drive will improve audio in any specific, measurable way. What they claim is that they have done some in-house listening tests, and in their opinion they've come up with a winner. They do claim that their device is designed to 'bring out all the emotion' in music. Are those fraudulent statements?
They also claim it has been designed by audiophiles for audiophiles. My guess is that is true, as far as it goes. In broken English syntax (obviously the 'designers' are not from the US or UK, or if they are they failed English grammar, in school) they list some rather loose, subjective claims, 'graphed' on a spider chart. A bunch of 'sonic criteria' that is unmeasurable from any objective standpoint: vibrancy, focus, sound character, representation et al.
To back it up, they offer a page of user testimonials where folks claim to have heard all these remarkable things, and more.
Does any of that rise to the level of actionable fraud? Is it any different than someone claiming that Mrs. Smith's apple pie is better than Marie Callendar's, because Mrs. Smith's pie makes them 'feel' warmer in the stomach, than Marie's pie? Or that Lite beer is 'less filling and tastes great'?
Back when all this nonsense took off, even Mark Levinson couldn't tell you why his preamp 'sounded better' than the Pioneer. But claims made for those 'high end' devices were pretty much the same as for this SSD. And no one went to jail over it. As far as I know. The fact that people take this sort of thing seriously tells you more about people, than it does about any particular device being sold on the market.
completely revitalized and transformed music play
All results to live like 3 demensional souding
vinyl like characters, sense of depth, dynamic impact, details densities and separations can almost be seen which reveals every ounce of emotion of all music recordings.
If that's all they were claiming then it wouldn't be a problem, but it's not.
I have no interest in debating this with you. I was merely pointing out your false equivalency.They've made claims about asthma, colic, haemorrhoids, hair loss, chlamydia, cancer and more. When a science journalist calls out such claims they sue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Association_v_Singh
https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2012/feb/22/simon-singh-british-chiropractic-association
By way of example, this text will explain all the magical properties of Crystals., there are all sorts of magical amulets on sale, including special rocks. Some that glow, when you plug them in. The claims for these are pretty non-specific, and I doubt that anyone could possibly hope to take the makers/sellers to court for fraud.
By way of example, this text will explain all the magical properties of Crystals.
We have two copies in this household:
Got crystals all over the house.Like a bookended crystal set?