What is the point of upsampling?

[Eminar]

If you are referring to EQ'ing a speaker's frequency response, wouldn't this show in a CSD plot?

No. Eq-ing programme material to compensate for room, personal taste etc.

 

[mansr]

Does that mean no then, a digital low-pass crossover filter doesn't need to be complemented by low-pass analogue filter?

The whole point of digital crossover filters is to avoid analogue ones.

 

[Eminar]

Does that mean no then, a digital low-pass crossover filter doesn't need to be complemented by low-pass analogue filter?

Nope

 

[tuga]

No. Eq-ing programme material to compensate for room, personal taste etc.

What about EQ'ing a recording at the production or mastering stage? Or mixing (putting together) multiple mono tracks?

 

[tuga]

Except pressuring muso's to nail the take...and that warm natural compression you get when recording to 2 inch tape

 

[Julf]

So time domain distortion is not a factor in +90% of eq's?

So "time domain distortion" isn't an issue with analog EQ's?

I say you'll subjectively state they don't have this effect on phase/delay even though it's proven they do

"this" effect? As in audible effect? I would love to see your proof.

 

[Eminar]

So "time domain distortion" isn't an issue with analog EQ's?



"this" effect? As in audible effect? I would love to see your proof.

I said of eq's, not just digital. Of course analogue does it too. All if em except very low q ones. Rane make a good one. Proof is in the theory and the earballs
Low pass filters fuk with phase
EQ is just low pass midband and high pass filter stuck together heaps of them all slightly fucking with your phase and adding group delay

 

[Eminar]

Ampex Tape DSP Plugin

Serious question do you actually think that the sound of that filter is what 2 inch tape sounded like
Next question have you heard 2inch?
Would you really think that your plugin is world class, to be used by pros the world over with repeatable results, like 2 inch tapeI said just another dicky bit of software that I'll get updated soon forgotten about
Yeah you're claim it the same but it's fucking not and you know it
Don't be disingenuous'

 

[Julf]

I said of eq's, not just digital. Of course analogue does it too. All if em except very low q ones.

Measurably, yes. As to audibility, I wait for proof/evidence.

Proof is in the theory and the earballs

This is where I think you don't understand science. Theory is not proof. Earballs are only proof in a properly conducted blind listening test.

 

[Eminar]

Just because a plugin claims to sound like something doesn't mean it does.
It can't otherwise they wouldn't keep getting better.
Some people claim they can't hear any difference between LPCM and MP3
that doesn't mean there's no difference it just means they don't know how to listen or what to listen for

 

[QMuse]

I said of eq's, not just digital. Of course analogue does it too. All if em except very low q ones. Rane make a good one. Proof is in the theory and the earballs
Low pass filters fuk with phase
EQ is just low pass midband and high pass filter stuck together heaps of them all slightly fucking with your phase and adding group delay

Let's see how it really works..

Phase, red=before EQ, blue=after EQ

GD, red=before EQ, blue=after EQ

Yep, EQ totally fu*cked both of them.

 

[Julf]

Next question have you heard 2inch?

Yes, of course. By the way, 2 inch is used for multitrack, not masters. 24-track 2 inch is less tape width per track than normal 2-track 1/4 inch.

Would you really think that your plugin is world class

It is not my plugin.

to be used by pros the world over with repeatable results

Yes, it is what pros use. How much analog recording do you think the average studio does these days?

Yeah you're claim it the same but it's fucking not and you know it
Don't be disingenuous'

Ah, resorting to profanity and slurs is a sign that you have run out of rational arguments, so I guess continuing the discussion is futile.

 

[Eminar]

Measurably, yes. As to audibility, I wait for proof/evidence.



This is where I think you don't understand science. Theory is not proof. Earballs are only proof in a properly conducted blind listening test.

Yeah measurably
That's called empirical proof
Empirical proof and earball proof
how can you claim otherwise?
is it just that you can't hear it
More eq in more bands is more group delay /phase incoherence
Empirically

 

[Eminar]

Let's see how it really works..

Phase, red=before EQ, blue=after EQ

View attachment 62458

GD, red=before EQ, blue=after EQ

View attachment 62459

Yep, EQ totally fu*cked both of them.

What eq freqs? How many db gain in which bands
More gain more delay

 

[Julf]

Yeah measurably
That's called empirical proof

I think you are confusing "theory" and "measurement". By the way, how do you measure audibility?

is it just that you can't hear it
More eq in more bands is more group delay /phase incoherence

If you say so.

I see lots of claims and hot air, no evidence or proof. Have a good day!

 

[Eminar]

Yes, of course. By the way, 2 inch is used for multitrack, not masters. 24-track 2 inch is less tape width per track than normal 2-track 1/4 inch.



It is not my plugin.



Yes, it is what pros use. How much analog recording do you think the average studio does these days?



Ah, resorting to profanity and slurs is a sign that you have run out of rational arguments, so I guess continuing the discussion is futile.

I asked again do you have practical experience the sound of 2 inch tape

 

[QMuse]

More eq in more bands is more group delay /phase incoherence
Empirically

When you do EQ only in frequency domain indeed some minor phase/GD shifts are added because of filters, although even in that scenario improvements due to linear frequency response are far more valuable than those small phase shifts intrduced by filters.

However, once you do EQ in time domain both phase and GD are significantly improved.

 

[QMuse]

What eq freqs? How many db gain in which bands
More gain more delay

This is the corresponding EQ filter:

And this is the phase shift caused by that filter:

 

[Eminar]

I asked again do you have practical experience the sound of 2 inch tape

Cool. It's all awesome sounding
And everything new is the same as everything old but better and easier
And never shittier

 

[tuga]

Cool. It's all awesome sounding
And everything new is the same as everything old but better and easier
And never shittier

Isn't "awesome sounding" a matter of personal preference?