There is nothing holy about the signal

[Sal1950]

* How can I be incorrect if its something that can be demonstrated? Such as a Poorly Sounding CD? Is that considered trolling?

A poorly mastered CD or LP can sound bad. So what, what's your point.
If you hate the way it sounds, don't listen to it. Do some homework, maybe there's a better sounding option available.
The CD offers the potential for incredibly great sound quality, about as good as any human can hear.

* And if because there are some who still believe that Audio equipment is more Holy than Signal

Not here. At least not in the rank and file of our members.

* If companies sell poorly made products ~ why does the audio signal have to be pristine ~ then would it not be more expensive? Unfortunatly that is not the case ~ some music is poorly developed into an audio product to cut costs.

For better or worse what's on the source is the "holy" signal if you like to use that term.
You can never add in missing information that doesn't exist there, or undistort that which is already distorted.
You can only distort it further.
Some small tonal changes to better suite you own preference is fine, that's up to you, no law against it.

Stop talking circular crap here and use some common sense or we'll have no time for you.
The smartest thing you can do now is to be quiet, read, and learn.
We have many of the most knowledgeable engineers and technicians in the industry posting here.
Time to go to school.

 

[HDaudio008]

That appears to me to be a case of inexperience and using too much of a good thing.

* That is true. Mastering itself is not the real issue, its the final audio product that has issues.

 

[HDaudio008]

A poorly mastered CD or LP can sound bad. So what, what's your point.
If you hate the way it sounds, don't listen to it. Do some homework, maybe there's a better sounding option available.
The CD offers the potential for incredibly great sound quality, about as good as any human can hear.


Not here. At least not in the rank and file of our members.


For better or worse what's on the source is the "holy" signal if you like to use that term.
You can never add in missing information that doesn't exist there, or undistort that which is already distorted.
You can only distort it further.
Some small tonal changes to better suite you own preference is fine, that's up to you, no law against it.

Stop talking circular crap here and use some common sense or we'll have no time for you.
The smartest thing you can do now is to be quiet, read, and learn.
We have many of the most knowledgeable engineers and technicians in the industry posting here.
Time to go to school.

* Its not that simple to just not listen to the Audio Track and search for something better ~ Doing a search for better tracks is the same as saying ~ buy different equipment and see if that suites your taste if the music does not sound good ~ and move on. Thats not science. Thats circular reasoning ~ because eventually the different audio equipment will sound improved ~ bu in reality ~ eventually ~ its not going sound good, again. Which leads to more equipment purchases ~ That circular reasoning ~ Justify that audio sounds bad to justify upgrading ~ the concept is not to improve the sound - it is to perfect it. (As some Mastering Engineers are striving for).

Science is about facts ~ And ignoring the facts and not having a correspondence is - insubordination.

* Is it really that easy to say that audio has no information in it? is distortion a word to describe a engineered product? If the product has distortion in terms of unplayability ~ then it is not science ~ DSP' ing an system to have music sound better is not science ~ utilizing a DSP for the function of equipment is science.

* It is true, well mastered Music on a CD Can sound good.

Simply, there are solutions to a compromised signal it takes alot of progress to perfection.

 

[Sal1950]

* Its not that simple to just not listen to the Audio Track and search for something better ~ Doing a search for better tracks is the same as saying ~ buy different equipment and see if that suites your taste if the music does not sound good ~ and move on. Thats not science.

No, your ducking the issue again. A very badly mastered recording is what it is, mostly little can be done about it.
You can't change a recording that has been brick walled to a DR6.
But there may be other masterings of that recording available to chose from, some have 5 or 6 or more.
Do your homework.

Is it really that easy to say that audio has no information in it?

What are you talking about, that makes no sense.

is distortion a word to describe a engineered product?

If that's what's on the recording, yes it is.
Easy to hear analog tape that was pushed too hard, digital also.

Simply, there are solutions to a compromised signal it takes alot of progress to perfection.

NO, other than tweaking a bright or bass shy recording with a little tonal correction there isn't.
We have a saying that goes, You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Read my first paragraph in this post again.

 

[HDaudio008]

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NO, other than tweaking a bright or bass shy recording with a little tonal correction there isn't.
We have a saying that goes, You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Read my first paragraph in this post again.

* Agreed, there is no need to adjust bass in a recording that has a balance of it in the mix ~ but it is better to leave the mix alone ie adjusting bass in a track if not done correctly can affect the rest of the mix.

Quote:" * But there may be other mastering of that recording available to chose from, some have 5 or 6 or more. " End Quote.

That is silly. * The Homework is the CD recording itself as a Re-mastered CD ~ Not complaining, it is what it is, but not impossible to correct.