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The Laptop Thread

DLS79 said:
I'm aware, a large portion of my job involves dealing with cloud based systems. However, the claims that were made over a decade ago are not even close to what we have today.

I can remember reading articles about how consumers won't need computers anymore. All their data and applications will live in the cloud, and all their processing will be done in the cloud etc etc . Basically claiming the mainframe & dumb terminal methodology was the way forward for everyone and everything.

I remember laughing about how all the big tech top brass must think your average person doesn't give a crap about privacy!
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I don't perceive it the same way. I think your description is what has happened or largely happened and is continuing. The difference is considering phones the computer most people have. You then have streaming devices as computers. I don't know how to get data on usage. Many people do live without a computer in the sense of having a laptop or desktop using only phones and computer appliances. Almost all of which are cloud devices.
 
@sweetchaos - thanks. I suspected as much. Since drivers were a problem with the last round of Windows on ARM I wondered if they would have found a way to make translation work.
 
Some research has revealed that it's possible to build a Copilot+ AI pc using an x86 CPU. The distinguishing bit of hardware is an NPU and Intel has one under development. Although Nvidia RTX 40x0 graphics cards have more than enough compute power to do AI tasks, the Copilot+ specification requires low power which is not possible with Nvidia GPU's. Apparently, Copilot+ is a laptop only specification, at least for now. The NPU will allow many of the AI tasks to run locally as a means of dealing with privacy concerns and likely the EU GDPR. The Recall feature which remembers everything done on the machine can be paused at times, but can't be completely turned off, creepy. It looks like rather than getting Windows 12, the new thing is Win 11/Copilot+. Maybe we are headed for a repeat of the phaseout of PC's lacking a TPM.
 
Blumlein 88 said:
I don't perceive it the same way. I think your description is what has happened or largely happened and is continuing. The difference is considering phones the computer most people have. You then have streaming devices as computers. I don't know how to get data on usage. Many people do live without a computer in the sense of having a laptop or desktop using only phones and computer appliances. Almost all of which are cloud devices.
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I think you missed my point, no one is using dumb terminals. Phones, tablets, laptops, & desktops are more powerful than ever, and have more storage than ever.

A "dumb terminal" is a devise with no real processing power, or storage space locally. Modern phones and tablets are far far away from that. All a users photos, videos and other files are still stored on the devise. At most they can be backed up to the cloud, but a lot of people disable that feature. Apps all still run locally.
 
Ron Texas said:
The NPU will allow many of the AI tasks to run locally as a means of dealing with privacy concerns and likely the EU GDPR. The Recall feature which remembers everything done on the machine can be paused at times, but can't be completely turned off, creepy.
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The problem pointed out in Recall wrt. GDPR is that it will capture personally identifiable information without corresponding tools to manage it as required, such as deleting or correcting on request. Without such tools, or the option to turn it off completely, companies won't be able to use any version of Windows with Recall if they want to stay compliant.
 
DLS79 said:
I think you missed my point, no one is using dumb terminals. Phones, tablets, laptops, & desktops are more powerful than ever, and have more storage than ever.

A "dumb terminal" is a devise with no real processing power, or storage space locally. Modern phones and tablets are far far away from that. All a users photos, videos and other files are still stored on the devise. At most they can be backed up to the cloud, but a lot of people disable that feature. Apps all still run locally.
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Well no terminal is 100% dumb or it could provide no functions. With the increase in computing power a "dumb terminal" can be smarter than ever. It is a gray area, and phones are a bit far from dumb terminals. But the use is in the direction of a dumb terminal with much storage and even processing for some purposes happening in the cloud. Like dark photo capability for one. I also don't think it accurate to portray the idea of cloud computing would put nearly everything 100% in the cloud. Rather that it would put some significant functions beyond the local device in terms of storage and processing in the cloud. This would leverage the local device to be more useful and powerful than it is capable of as a stand alone unit. That is about where we are. The reason companies use AWS on their end is efficiency and cost.

In the most recent reporting 74% of Amazon's profit was from AWS. Amazon is the 4th largest company so quite a large part of the business. One which is still growing by double digit percentages per year, and the growth is accelerating in the AWS portion. Google and Microsoft are significant players in this and they are growing that part of the business faster than Amazon.

In any case it is what it is.
 
somebodyelse said:
The problem pointed out in Recall wrt. GDPR is that it will capture personally identifiable information without corresponding tools to manage it as required, such as deleting or correcting on request. Without such tools, or the option to turn it off completely, companies won't be able to use any version of Windows with Recall if they want to stay compliant.
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I believe Recall gets around the problem by keeping all information locally. We do not have the details yet, but I suspect recall may be cleared the way we delete history and cookies on a browser.
 
yeah unless you ABSOLUTELY need the biggest GPU the pro is more attractive than the max this time. kind of tempted to upgrade from my m1max, but also at the same time still not feeling the limits of the old chip in use
 
it's all about what people use their stuff for. I use all OS and I don't think there's a single OS that is "better", they are all as good as the user that extracts their capabilities and keeps them secure.
 
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I think we should all just let the format wars recede into the distant past. It's a big tent and there's plenty of room for everybody. I run Windows 11 in a Parallels VM on my Macbook Pro and use each as the need arises. I used to love it whenever Intel took a hit for one thing or another. Now, I worry that we may be in danger of losing them as a national asset. Don't want that to happen.
 
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