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Soundcard,dac with high gain

gasolin75

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My Triangle and Yamaha network amp is not the most bright sounding combination (despite what you might think) so i tried what i have of speaker cable.

Then i tried my M-Audio M-Track Solo and it dit sound a little brighter then using my cheap asus pci soundcard (to get optical,toslink out from my pc) with a dh labs toslink cable of good quality, general no bad

Only problem is gain, i have volume trim at + 8db on the amp (that is what it had when i used that input for my turntable, built in phonostage in my tt) and 8 on the soundcard but still a little low (same goes for a mackie onyx artist 1.2 usb soundcard,interface when i had one)

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If i want something with gain control instead of a pci soundcard at 100%, it could be a usb studio soundcard (or dac), the one i have from M-Audio sounds fine but it needs to have higher gain

Just a little more expensive than my M-Audio M track solo, 60-70 euros, nothing crazy

What would you recommend ?
 
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Yamaha r-n600a
 

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Yamaha r-n600a
The M-Track Solo and Onyx Artist 1•2 can output 1.2V via RCA.

For 30€, you can buy an SMSL PS100 with 2.0V via RCA.

With either soundcard set to 100%, the PS100 will play about 30% louder.

Regardless what soundcard you end up using, check with a multimeter that you really get the full, rated output voltage.

It's possible that you have another volume control somewhere in your system which is bottlenecking the output.
 
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I don't use 2 cards

No just low gain from the soundcard
 

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I don't use 2 cards

No just low gain from the soundcard
I don't understand, sorry.

The SMSL PS100 will give you more than enough gain to easily push the Yamaha to its limits. It will be louder than your previous soundcards.

Should you give it a try and the PS100 is still not loud enough, then your gain problem lies elsewhere, not inside the soundcard.

Check with a multimeter.
 
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How about this dac, it has the advantage of being plug and play and forget (no power button) and 2.5 Vrms


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I would press the reset button here and go back to Toslink into the receiver, which is likely fine, followed by investigating:
* the tone controls on the R-N600A
or, even better,
* system-wide EQ options

Having an audio interface on hand will come in handy as it enables the use of a range of measurement microphones using REW (with MMM). If you are serious about investigating the treble range, at least some form of individual calibration (either 0° or 90°, ideally both) is highly recommend, otherwise it really is a crapshoot as the results of 1000 calibrations of various models demonstrate:

This is likely to blow the budget, but I'd rather have that than wasting more money in the DAC department, where it is not effective.
 

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The input sensitivity of the line level analog inputs for the Yamaha R-N600A is 0.2 V. I highly doubt insufficient output capacity of the source devices is the root cause.
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Just notice that the m-track soundcard,interface always has had low gain,max gain is more like a turntable

Just tested it and gain is no more than mabye a couple of db low max 3db of precived difference, volume trim is 8 for the analog in and the m-track card for the optical,toslink volume trim is 3.5db
 
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