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Sal1950

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It says:

That should give you a hint ;)
Plus the one big meter.
I mean, Henry Kloss ain't around no more. :(
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Henry didn't figure that stereo recording required more than 1 level meter, I suppose...
 

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I would not dare call it out in the review but I would like to nominate this product for this Thread:

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Aww, c’mon you can call it out in the review! I still haven’t gotten over reading it. This thing is like some Shark Tank idea that never made it past the local PA scouting phase. I guess for that nanoniche market of audio nerds who aspire to a tricked out surround home theater but don’t want to see it, it makes sense. But the implementation here with all the technical obstacles involved in this endeavor is QED.

I guess you’re supposed to mount the damn things on your wall and camouflage them against the drywall with coats of paint? Can’t imagine how else they could be convincingly “invisible”. Last time I checked in order for a speaker to produce sound it must move air, and I’m left to wonder how much usage you’d get from these before the paint starting cracking off and falling to the floor. Then I guess it would be both visible and unlistenable, and therefore, snake oil!

Plenty of manufacturers are making low-profile surrounds that are so sleek and inoffensive that they might as well be invisible—I’d personally risk the lack of discretion over exposing my ears (and my guests) to the unholy distorted midrange squawk these abominations manage to put out. These are like sub-Sharper Image—and the exact sorts of What Were They Thinking? misguided inventions that future generations will include in humorous books and magazine articles to demonstrate how cheesy and tragic things were way back then. And don’t even get me started on the price! :eek:
 

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Is this snake-oil?

Dan D'Agostino Relentless Epic 1600 Monoblock Amplifier​

Price $349,500.00​

That's a lot of jack for an amp?
There is a ton of money in the build from the case to the components inside.
My number one worry if I carried this kind of scratch would be over the "zero global feedback" design claim.
Is it still capable of fully transparent sound with this cult market design choice?
I'd have to have one drop shipped to Amir to test first, but then I'm sure he'd whine about it's 570lb weight. :p
In any case, IMHO that's one beautiful frickin component and if I had Elon Musk kind of green, I just might need a dozen
to power my next Atmos music system. ;)
I wonder how much extra they charge for Black?



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You must also have active speakers with external crossover so that you use three or four of them for each speaker ;) I assume the height channels in the ceiling also gets them ?

Wonder if my oligarch yacht will,sink if power all speakers including the intercom with these .....
 

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I would not dare call it out in the review but I would like to nominate this product for this Thread:

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How is that snake oil?

It is a product with a purpose (concealment) which meets that need. Audio performance is necessarily compromised, but that is part of the deal.
 

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How is that snake oil?

It is a product with a purpose (concealment) which meets that need. Audio performance is necessarily compromised, but that is part of the deal.
It’s probably not snake oil in the most literal definition of the term. Just feels satisfying to throw tomatoes at for some reason! :)

They cost a lot, and they market them as “the ultimate solution for high-performance architectural audio”. They also quote them as having “unbelievable” sound, which is a nice weasel word because they sound unbelievable all right!

Plus I read one tear sheet that promotes them as being exclusive items in “Fendi, Dior, Miu Miu, Prada, Louis Vuitton and Gucci”. I’m sure on a sales floor nobody is doing any critical listening, but Amir’s review exposes that they have a costly idea that failed to deliver a premium product in terms of performance, despite marketing to the contrary. That’s what feels oily and snaky.

Snake oil used to refer to medicinal elixirs that were marketed as cure-alls but turned out to have dubious, if any value to back up those claims. According to my handy dictionary, the term “snake oil” has evolved to describe any product, service, or idea that is marketed and sold with exaggerated claims about its effectiveness or value, often with little to no evidence to support such claims. So they fail to hold up to at least part of their marketing claims.

Also, as I mentioned in my previous post, these things are meant to be painted to blend into the surrounding dry wall. I don’t know about you, but given the vibrations these things invariably put out, I’m left to wonder how long they would remain “invisible”. Does anyone have any info on this from verified purchasers?
 
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