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Marantz DR700 Review (CD Recorder - 1998)

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This is a review and detailed measurements of the Marantz DR700 stereo player, CD recorder and transport.

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As I've already mentioned, I'm a lot into CD players and especially old ones, such as the Marantz CD-73 which I already reviewed.


Marantz DR700 - Presentation

This CD recorder from 1998 had a high price tag at the time, and a pro version (CDR-630) of the same was available with rack mounting front face.

I got interested by this player (and as a CD Player only) because it's using an old 1bit Philips converter which I did not test yet, the TDA1305T. It is a relatively low cost DAC, all integrated, with oversampling and noise shaping. It features a THD+N in the range of -90dB to -81dB, limited that is.

The back panel is a little more busy than usual, of course because it includes digital and analog inputs of top of standard outputs:

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The pro version offers XLR outputs on top.

The inside is full of emptiness:

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The reason is that both ADC and DAC are located under the drive, on a small card which also includes servo control and decoding. The right side, I suppose, hosts the analog output card for XLR out on the pro version.

Using this player is a real pleasure, with a super fast drive, I love it. Also the Play/Stop/Pause buttons are easy to spot, not cryptic, that I like a lot too. Funny, it has a view meter, like an old cassette deck, nice. Skipping a track back and forth is ultra fast, so cool! And note that one track back does not get you to the beginning of current song but the one before. Maybe a pro habit.

The feel and touch is surprisingly pleasant, in par with the price of the time, I’d say.

When I first powered on the Marantz, I could hear the power supply buzzing, not good and I suspected I would find some issues there.

Let's check what this old tech has to tell us.


Marantz DR700 - Measurements (Analog out)

I described my measurements in the post “More than we hear”, and as I reported them for the Onkyo C-733 review. Over time, this will help comparing the devices I reviewed.

The Marantz DR700 outputs 1.89Vrsm, a little less than the standard 2Vrms.
Here you go with the standard 1kHz sine @0dBFS (dithered) from my test CD (RCA out) :

MarantzDR700_999.91Hz_0dBFDS_LR.jpg


Both channels are represented but only one gets evaluated in that window. Left channel is less performing, but other than H2, rest is very similar. The THD+N is in the published performances of the DAC TDA1305T, which means it's well implemented here. We are missing one bit of CD resolution, too bad, and that is due to higher than usual noise floor.

Same view at -6dBFS:

MarantzDR700_999.91Hz_-6dBFS_LR.jpg


Using shaped dither, we can lower the noise floor in digital domain, so let's see if the Marantz benefits from it:

MarantzDR700_NovsShapedDither.jpg


This is an overlay of a trace without dither and the same with shaped dither. The noise floor is the same, which means this is the limitation here. It is impossible to break the 15bits resolution due to the noise generated by this player. With some high resolution players, shaped dither allows reaching 19bits of true resolution. We are very far from that here.

You probably already noticed some power supply–related spuria in its output (at-100dB at 50Hz and 100Hz and other harmonics):

MarantzDR700_PowerSupply_LR.jpg


No surprise, the buzzing I could hear leaks into the circuitry. Does it require some service? Maybe, and it's good to remember that 20+ years old devices might need some attention before performing as new.
And well, I tried to listen to noise through the output, and I could not hear, I think it is in a area where our ears have a natural high attenuation in loudness.

Next on my list is the bandwidth:

MarantzDR700_BW_LR_02.jpg


We see a gentle roll off at both ends, just like the Marantz CD-73 with much less ringing from the oversampling filter though. So that's ok.
As you can see from the plot on the above graph, the two channels are perfectly matched, 0dB difference, this is very good.

Staying on the oversampling filtering effect, let's have a look at wide band (up to 48kHz) :

MarantzDR700_WhiteNoise_TripleTones.jpg


We see the oversampling filter ringing above 22kHz, which means it's old fashioned, lacking computing power, but again "à la" Marantz CD-73. The filter is otherwise relatively sharp but attenuates poorly at -50dB only.

The above view contains an overlay of the AES IMD test (18kHz + 20kHz) so that you can see how their artifacts are attenuated at 24.1kHz and 26.1kHz (roughly -60dBr).

Let's continue with multitone test (1/20 decade):

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This view shows that the Marantz has some difficulties to clear 16bits of distorsion free resolution. There's a suspicious spike at 150Hz, else it's kind of ok for 15bits.

The DR700 showed very low Jitter:

MarantzDR700_JTest.jpg


The red trace is what's recorded on the CD. We see some additional side band frequencies, but it's very low in level and can't be heard. The noise floor is higher than other CD Players, that's the true limitation here.


On your request and support (more information here), I am adding an "intersample-overs" test. It intends to identify if the oversampling filter has sufficient headroom to process near clipping signals. Indeed, and because of the oversampling, there might be interpolated data that go above 0dBFS (see the values in the table) and would saturate (clip) the interpolator and therefore the output. This effect is highlighted with the measurements below, and revealed through THD+N measurements up to 96kHz:

Intersample-overs tests
Bandwidth of the THD+N measurements is 20Hz - 96kHz
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Teac VRDS-20-30.7dB-26.6dB-17.6dB
Yamaha CD-1-84.6dB-84.9dB-78.1dB
Denon DCD-900NE-34.2dB-27.1dB-19.1dB
Denon DCD-SA1-33.6dB-27.6dB-18.3dB
Onkyo C-733-88.3dB-40.4dB-21.2dB
Marantz DR700-31.5dB-25.2dB-16.7dB

I left several other references for you to compare with. The oversampling filter to the Marantz DR700 does not have headroom to process Inter-sample overs. The Yamaha CD-1 shines in that test because it does not use an oversampling filter.

Here are other measurements:
  • SNR : 92.4dB (1kHz @-60dBFS without dither)
  • Crosstalk : -126dB (@1kHz)
  • IMD AES : -82dB (18kHz + 20kHz 1:1 @-5dBFS)
  • IMD DIN : -87dB (250Hz & 8kHz 4:1 @-5dBFS)
  • Pitch Error : 19'997.72Hz (19'997Hz requested) ie 14ppm
These performances are decent enough to offer a good playback. The clock is precise at 14ppm, which might have been a requirement for recording. This is good news.

And of course, one of my favorite measurement, the THD (without noise) vs Frequency at -12dBFS. I already commented elsewhere that I use it especially to test older R2R architectures as it shows their difficulty to be linear below full scale. Below are measurements of the Left and Right channels, overlaid with the previously tested (and near best in class for a CD Player) Onkyo C-733:

MarantzDR700_THDvsFreq_LR.jpg


Well, yes, the Marantz DR700 suffers here as we have more distortion than usual You also see right channel doing 4dB better. All that said, good luck to hear -90dB harmonic distortion at -12dBFS into musical content :) But that is in par with real resolution limited to 15bits.


Marantz DR700 Measurements - Optical and Coax Out

As usual, let's have a look at how this player behaves when used as a transport.

Because of the good precision of the clock (14ppm), I could get a better than usual trace (I could go up to 8 averages without windowing effect). This is my standard 999.91Hz @0dBFS:

MarantzDR700_999.91Hz_0dBFS_Opti.jpg


That's the content of the CD, the test file. I can't see any evidence of digital modification. To me that is a perfect trace, as we should see all the time.

I am also using an undithered 1kHz sine at -90.31dBFS to verify the quality of the drive. With 16bits, the signal should appear (on a scope) as the 3DC levels of the smallest symmetrical sign magnitude digital signal, which is what we get with the Marantz DR700:

MatantzDR700_1kHz_-90.31dBFS_Opti.jpg


That's the smallest 16bits digital signal. At this level, the digital content is only -1, 0, 1. And so it outputs a square wave with ringing due to bandwidth limitation (Gibbs Phenomenon).

As such, and compared to analog outputs, the digital ones will benefit from Shaped Dither, allowing to reach 19.7bits of true resolution, up to 5kHz. This is the comparison of 999.91Hz @0dBFS without dither and with shaped dither:

MarantzDR700_999.91Hz_NoDithervsShapedDither_Opti.jpg


You can see I had to change this axis by a lot to show the much lower local noise floor with shaped dither. That means this player would be very great with a high resolution DAC.

Very good digital output is what we get here, and that's nice. And that means when using a very good budget DAC such as the SMSL PS200, this is what you get:

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This is extremely close to the digital signal of the CD. It will be hard to get closer to the recorded master than that. Ideal to enjoy your CD collection!


Marantz DR700 - Testing the drive

What would be good measurements if the drive would not properly read a slightly scratched CD, or one that was created at the limits of the norm? The below tests reply to these questions.

Test typeTechnical testResults
Variation of linear cutting velocityFrom 1.20m/s to 1.40m/sPass
Variation of track pitchFrom 1.5µm to 1.7µmPass
Combined variations of track pitch and velocityFrom 1.20m/s & 1.5µm to 1.40m/s & 1.7µmPass
HF detection (asymmetry pitch/flat ratio)Variation from 2% to 18%Pass
Dropouts resistanceFrom 0.05mm (0.038ms) to 4mm (3.080ms)Up to 1.5mm
Combined dropouts and smallest pitchFrom 1.5µm & 1mm to 1.5µm & 2.4mmUp to 1mm
Successive dropoutsFrom 2x0.1mm to 2x3mmUp to 1mm

The drive was able to consistently continue playing, without generating typical digital clicks, with dropouts of up to 1.5mm. There was no transition between correctly reading a track and hearing clicks. With dropouts equal or greater than 2mm, the player failed to read and simply stopped. The Marantz had no issue with variable linear velocity and/or track pitch, as well as with HF detection.


Conclusion

I hope you enjoyed reading this review as much as I enjoyed writing it.

Considering the compact build, inside, and all functionalities, for a 25 years ago player, I guess we can accept limitations in pure performances. And it records on CDR! You just need to accept loosing 1 bit of resolution...

I did not test the performance when recording, it would be long and I don't expect anything interesting. That said, and it's to note, the Marantz will stop recording after 3 seconds of signal at less than -50dBFS, considering it is silence ;)

When used as a transport, it's performing extremely well. So a little modern DAC behind, and it'll much improve. Add to that the speed of the drive, plus touch and feel and you get a lot of pleasure at very low price. And there's a dB meter, how cool is that?

Enjoy the weekend.

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Flo
 
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When I first powered on the Marantz I could hear the power supply buzzing, not good and I suspected I would find some issues there.
The transformer may have a screw loose. Like, literally. You can try tightening those down. Unfortunately it's not uncommon for transformers to be run slightly into saturation. Should you happen to have a Variac, you could try to reduce mains voltage a bit using that.
Note the "grass" (spuriae) that seems to be quite typical for older 1-bit converters IME.
No surprise, the buzzing I could hear leaks into the circuitry. Does it require some service there, maybe. It's good to remember that 20+ years old devices might need some attention before performing as new.
Well, I tried to listen to noise through the output, and I could not, I think because it is in a area where our ear have a natural high attenuation in loudness.
Good luck trying to hear anything at -100 dBFS, let alone 50 or 100 Hz. No surprises there. We had a small dynamic range listening test here a while back, and even -80 dBFS is quite challenging. Not to mention the issue of the player's noise floor literally being higher than -100 dBFS already.

Redressing the power supply wires may help get rid of the 50 Hz at least. I'd be tempted to unplug the transformer primary cable (brown / blue) and give it a few twists, then reroute a bit closer to the chassis.

Now, let's have some fun with the bandwidth :

MarantzDR700_BW_LR_02.jpg
Would you mind zooming in on that a bit?

Here are the digital filter specs for the TDA1305:

tda1305filter.png

Passband ripple is a bit meh if on par with a bunch of older onboard audio and whatnot, while stopband attenuation actually is half-decent.
MarantzDR700_WhiteNoise_TripleTones.jpg


Sorry, it's only up to 48kHz, but that's my standard measurement of this. We see the oversampling filter ringing beyond 22kHz, which means it's old fashioned, not so performing, but again "a là" Marantz CD-73. The filter is otherwise relatively sharp but attenuates poorly at -50dB only.
Filter response generally seems to conform to spec. I suspect the spikes poking up beyond may be related to some sort of jitter issues, note how a bunch of them are already present at lower amplitude in the 19+20 kHz test.

Looks about in line with what the datasheet says:
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Overall, it's obviously not a record-breaker but then the TDA1305 was not a high-end DAC even by 1998. (Hmm, I just noticed I don't have it on my converter history page, oops.) When the thing out came out in 1994-ish, a double speed mode (up to 96 kHz) was really novel and mostly intended for high-speed dubbing to tape, I imagine. That was all the rage in the early '90s.

I did not test the performance when recording, it would be long and I don't expect anything interesting.
Doesn't this unit have a monitor mode? With DAT recorders you could generally put them in rec pause and they would output the recorded signal digitally. Sure beats having to burn a CD and rip it, and you already have the facilities to record SPDIF.

The performance probably wouldn't be anything exciting, mind you. SA7366 specs are DR >90 dB, THD+N <-80 dB, filter passband ripple ±0.1 dB and stopband rejection -60 dB (that's pretty crummy even for a consumer ADC, mind you it again is from 1994).
 
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Thanks for the interest.

Yes, zoom on the bandwidth, I already prepared the same view as the one I posted on the Marantz CD-73 review, here you go:

MarantzDR700_BW_LR.jpg


Before your reply, I was already tempted to put my hands into that power supply, so now, how can I resist? :) And thanks for the tips!

The spikes seen in the wideband analysis of 18kHz + 20kHz are either artifacts (replicates) of the the initial two tones, and intermodulation distortion generated by them and the artifacts again. That's the problem when the attenuation of the oversampliing filter is not high enough. Add a little power supply related noise on top + lack of linearity, and here you go.

1kHz @-60dBFS with dither is below:

MarantzDR700_1kHz_-60dBFS.jpg


THD is well contained at that low level. Noise from the power supply is the problem. But yes, that means we can meet the THD+N specs of the TDA1305T, with some work on the power supply.
 
It's weird how the strongest power supply related spikes are all odd-order harmonics of 50 Hz. That really reeks of transformer current and inductive coupling into something... but where?

Wait. The yellow secondaries which are feeding the +/-12 V regs are exiting the transformer on opposite sides? Now that's stupid. That's one heck of a loop with the yellow wires routed like that. You should be able to reduce loop area a lot by rerouting them, even if twisting is not an option.

I would also prefer to see some heatshrink over the brown/blue wires given how they are intermingled with the secondaries. Not sure how easily those can be depinned at the connector though, usually there's some trick to it (like a small tab that needs to be pushed in to unlock the pin).
 
Thanks for your insights. I’ll try to have a look at that and run the measurements again.
I’ll update soon ;)

EDIT: Twisting the brown and blue nearly stopped the buzzing. Transformer's screws were a bit loose too, and that completely stopped the buzzing.

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Measurement wise, we see almost 10dB less of noise in power supply!

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:cool:

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Flo
 
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EDIT: Twisting the brown and blue nearly stopped the buzzing. Transformer's screws were a bit loose too, and that completely stopped the buzzing.
I think the first was just a coincidence, you probably put some force on the transformer when handling the primary wires and moved it around a tiny bit. The real fix was tightening the screws.

I've had to do the exact same thing twice before... one was an old Onkyo Dolby Surround receiver which obviously has a rather chunky transformer, the other a generic regulated 13.8 V 10 A supply (think ham radio) that had its entire transformer core held together with nuts and bolts.
Measurement wise, we see almost 10dB less of noise in power supply!
Looks more like 6, but I'll take it. More than I would have expected to be honest. Mind you, the routing is also slightly different now, which could definitely be a factor.

What about our yellow wires? I think they could be tied together quite neatly above / slightly to the right of the transformer.

BTW, if you connect a chunky wire between the CD player chassis and MOTU chassis and the mains harmonics go away, you've got leakage currents going down the signal wires and most likely electrostatic coupling to the mains.

On the subject of unwanted things, the spurs flanking the 1 kHz tone at +/-100 and 200 Hz suspiciously look like power supply hum. This may be getting into the DAC via its supply rail, which would be either of the +5V ones I guess. If we're assuming the PCB layout around the 5 V regulator 7101 is properly done, unregulated voltage ripple in capacitors 2109 / 2136 may be worth checking. (BTW, the spec of >4.9 V seems a bit optimistic even for an LDO. That has a nominal dropout of 200 mV still.)
Hmm, looking at the trace layout (Power Supply Board, Component Side, p. 1-29), the ground routing partially seems to be on the "bad wiring" side as per
I think star ground is supposed to be below fuse 1130 / right next to jumper 9000. If so it's correct for regulator 7101 and output capacitor 2111, but things slightly fall apart before that, as the run towards smoothing capacitors 2136 and 2109 is just tacked on to 7101's connection.
cdr630dr700psugnd.png


Hmm, I also spot a small ground loop: From 9000 up underneath 1130 and 1131 to the ground leg of capacitor 2119 and back down on the left through the 7101 ground connection. Great, now you've got part of 2119's charging current running through there, just what you want in a critical spot. :rolleyes:
cdr630dr700psugndloop.png

(2119 is responsible for +12V.)

I would consider running a wire for reinforcement (about as thick as you can manage) on the underside of the board, from the ground leg of 2136 to the right-hand leg of 9000, precisely following the ground routing on the top side including passing underneath 7101.
cdr630dr700psugndwire.png

That should take a bunch of current away from this critical point. It's about the least invasive mod I can think of. Ideally the scalpel (/ grinder) would have to come out to cut the ground in two places and one more wire soldered in before this is "starred" properly, but I think the prospect of soldering a wire seems daunting enough to you at this point...
 
You’re right, I was optimistic, 6dB that is.

I tried to place the yellow wires in different positions, exactly as you suggested, but it did not change the measurements.

I can try connecting the chassis of the Motu and the Marantz indeed, it’s a simple test. I’ll report.

For your other investigations, it’s really cool, thank you. I’ll consider when/if I find time.
 
The interior resembles (the particular color of the printed circuits) a Philips model with a double plate (CDR 765 and CDR 775), therefore two mechanics on the other hand but the "engraver" is identical from memory to that of the Marantz. The Philips comes from the Hungarian Philips factory and not from the Belgian one like the Marantz... At that time Marantz belonged to Philips.
 
Wasn't it a slightly refined version of the Philips CDR 880? This one could be tricked into writing non-audio-blancs by manually open and close the drawer. Those were the days...
 
Hi everyone,
I wanted to update this review with my latest test CD and also review again the digital output. So I updated the initial post with new tests.
It was nice surprise to see a very good and stable digital signal, and that is not so often. Again, it will pair very well with an external modern DAC. But its internal one is better to avoid.
Enjoy the weekend.
 
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