The KRK specs for FR are incomplete, could be -3 dB, -10 dB or more. I have more trust into the specs of Kali.The KRK12 goes down to 26 Hz, the 10 to 30 Hz, assuming they are not lying about the specs.
The KRK specs for FR are incomplete, could be -3 dB, -10 dB or more. I have more trust into the specs of Kali.The KRK12 goes down to 26 Hz, the 10 to 30 Hz, assuming they are not lying about the specs.
What is driving the urgency? You buy a sub like once a decade - I would definitely get it right not fast.Thank you, unfortunately it will be in stock in 2-5 days, plus a week of shipping, which is too much at the moment.
How significant is the difference between a 10'' woofer and a 12'' one?
I'm undecided between the KRK12 or the 10 variant, as well as the Presonus tremblor, which are €200 cheaper.
The KRK12 goes down to 26 Hz, the 10 to 30 Hz, assuming they are not lying about the specs.
Also, these things are heavy!
Let me buy a monitor controller in order to do some proper A/B test and report back!![]()
What is driving the urgency? You buy a sub like once a decade - I would definitely get it right not fast.
Having read this entire thread, I think you should return the KH 310 pair. If the money didn’t matter then it would be very easy to recommend them as no compromise high quality monitors. But it sounds like they’ve blown your budget with little remaining for a subwoofer, room treatment, or more electronics if you need. And they also seem like overkill for your room which is pretty small and easy to activate.I want to get back to work as soon as I can, to be honest.
But also, I would like to test the sub with my KH310 as well, before deciding to keep these or buy some different speakers. Since the return window closes in little more than a week, and Thomann delivers only on Tuesdays (assuming they will pack and ship my order today) buying a sub now seems like the only option if I want to test it with the KH310. No luck with Amazon, long delivery times from third party vendors.
It's not like more time is going to give me anything more than a headache. My budget is €400-600 (I was already over budget with the KH310) so the best bet according to the listed specs (which again, could mean anything) was the KRK12. I've read good reviews about the KRK10 as well.
The Presonus Tremblor has good specs but I'm reading mixed reviews on Amazon, YouTube etc.
The Kali is not in stock yet.
Having read this entire thread, I think you should return the KH 310 pair. If the money didn’t matter then it would be very easy to recommend them as no compromise high quality monitors. But it sounds like they’ve blown your budget with little remaining for a subwoofer, room treatment, or more electronics if you need. And they also seem like overkill for your room which is pretty small and easy to activate.
If you want to A/B your new and old speakers just set them up as a Mono setup - plug the old into the left and new into the right output -then switch from your DAW.. Sit them next to each other. Dont' just test with music - use voices too , news readers etc.. You should be able to hear the differences quite easily then. Single speaker - mono - is a very good way to compare a speaker.
it would be good to know your exact room dimensions, so we can actually look up what the room modes are and which spikes/tales come from distance to the backwall/floor (which we can tinker without treatment) for the actual roommodes you need treatment
I think by going with these speakers I simply encountered so many issues at the same time, and went into uncharted territory (high end monitors, room acoustics) and experienced panic-mode that froze my judgment skills.
I was pretty happy with my room, and even if I had a less than ideal setup (HS8 + AKG K240 MKII + an old computer) I was able to build my career with this gear, to the point where I prepared and conducted film music sessions in Abbey Road studios and many different orchestras in Europe. Plus mix and master my music that currently has millions of plays on Spotify.
So my setup worked. In Italy we have a variation of "if it is not broken, why fix it" which is squadra che vince non si cambia ("Do not change a winning team.") And that's what I did here.
My favourite car is the Dodge Challenger. But even if I could afford it used, it would be a very silly purchase because it would create a quite significative set of problems: heavy taxation for Italy (superbollo tax, introduced in 2012 for newly registered cars exceeding 185 kW) maintenance and gas, to name a few.
Also, with these type of cars you have a 100% a guarantee you'll get stopped by police at each checkpoint. 100%.
So, if I wanted to feast my eyes, I would fly to LA again, see or get to drive those cars, and be satisfied.
Same applies here, I think. There was too much waiting for me down the road and I got overwhelmed.
I'm still paralyzed, with a KRK 10 sub on its way (the 12 was simply too heavy to carry in my studio, and I thought it would overwelm my room).
It's what I did today, and what I was doing for two weeks before the Left speaker arrived as well.
It's hard to tell, honestly. This is so subjective that I'm not sure there's a point in writing down my thoughts, but I promised I would report back.
I also feel a little ashamed because I don't see a substantial difference that puts the KH310 in a different league.
Volume being equal, the KH310 feels warmer, and that's the most significant difference.
The music that comes out of the speaker also feels it's coming from behind the speaker, not from the front. It's not aggressively presented in front of you, and despite not using the speakers at midrange, it feels like it's sitting further away than it actually is.
No idea why, but the presentation of the midrange from the HS8 is more at the front, very forward.
The Yamaha HS8 also feels slightly cheaper in terms of audio quality, there's no doubt about it, but it's not the drastic difference you might encounter for example with a $50 Walmart speaker and a pair of HS5.
The ideal test would be using them in a treated room with a monitor controller and ideal placement, but we know this is not possible at the moment.
If something else comes to mind I'll write an EDIT at the bottom of this post, for clarity.
Sorry if it took me a while but I spent half of today with this volume knob crackle issue, and I'll email Thomann later because I want to send this Komplete Kontrol unit back ASAP.
Pick a cheap Mackie Big Knob Passive monitor controller so you can AB. Or otherwise just change cables after listening to each for a track each.
Wow They are smaller than i thoughtThanks. I posted the dimensions of my room a few posts before (photo attached), except height, which is currently a little hard to measure for me at the moment, but it is the highest value of the three. The photos should give a rough idea until I take a proper measurement.
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Obligatory photo of my studio assistant as well:
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Those are an older generation of B&W Nautilus 802. Very much higher budget.A quick question: what are these speakers that Thomas Newman is using instead of studio monitors? I suppose an expensive model of B&W? I'm surprised by the choice, I swear I saw the same at James Newton Howard's studio, but except for these two composers, all the others are using studio monitors.
Yes please. Both with and without sub. I really want to know whether the Questeds can solve your bass problems without a sub.UPDATE:
I returned the KH310 and got the Quested V2108 as I should have done in the first place.
I also bought a KRK 10'' sub for movies and at a quarter volume it shakes the walls, so I'm happy.
Do you want me to report back and give a feedback on the Quested V2018 when they arrive?
It just shows that your preference is not a neutral speaker. On the other handone gets used to neutral sound with time, and then non neutal speakers sound bad (boomy, bassy, bright, harsh ...).Also, one thing I noticed during the three weeks I used the KH310 for writing film music was the fact that they were really, really flat and "boring".
So excellent for mixing, but not very exciting for writing. This is personal, anecdotal and unscientific of course, but worth mentioning
Yes.A quick question: what are these speakers that Thomas Newman is using instead of studio monitors? I suppose an expensive model of B&W?
I really want to know whether the Questeds can solve your bass problems without a sub.
It just shows that your preference is not a neutral speaker. On the other handone gets used to neutral sound with time, and then non neutal speakers sound bad (boomy, bassy, bright, harsh ...).
Those are an older generation of B&W Nautilus 802. Very much higher budget.
They have peaky highs (the B&W house sound isn't flat). Anything would sound good in that room. Use it an an example of sound treatment. See the heavy curtain wall behind the speakers? See those panels on the wall? Floor with wall-to-wall dense carpet. That room will sound excellent.They look so niceand I bet they sound amazing as well.