Extreme Snake Oil

[DonH56]

Need to burn in your power cord? Now only $189!

Burn-In

www.haglabs.com

I could be a millionaire if I just had less ethics and morals.

 

[Audiofire]

Be careful with too high price, that can do harm too says overrated fanatic Steve Hoffman:

I had a system once and until I put Audioquest wire in there was just harsh and unmusical. With the Audioquest wire in there in only two spots, the sound got much better. In that system. Don't ask me what the name of the Audioquest wire was, I cannot remember, not the top of the line, way down there. Had a weird thingy attached to one end of each wire, that's all I remember. Kinda green color.

That Audioquest wire in that stereo did the trick, was nicely neutral and for that system it was crucial.. My higher priced wire did harm.

Why I care about cables (or listening to low priced Power Cords & Interconnects)

I'll bet it get's the water boiling just as fast as the supplied cable. ;) Indeed. I knew Russ when he started out. he had a little basement hifi shop...

forums.stevehoffman.tv

 

[leonasj500]

The cable that costs more, sounds better.
(I thought everyone knew that)

also 20awg way better sounds vs 24awg?

 

[Audiofire]

also 20awg way better sounds vs 24awg?

Size does matter, but not as much as one may assume.

 

[Mnyb]

Need to burn in your power cord? Now only $189!

Burn-In

www.haglabs.com

How the fugh do they call themselves a “lab”

Some of these snake oiler’s must be secretly insecure and envious of real science as they include “lab” or “research” or other serious wording in the company name

 

[formdissolve]

How the fugh do they call themselves a “lab”

Some of these snake oiler’s must be secretly insecure and envious of real science as they include “lab” or “research” or other serious wording in the company name

The audio cable burn in tool is $270!

FryBaby3 - Compact Burn-In Generator

The FryBaby3 audio system conditioner is a burn-in signal generator designed especially for cables and interconnects. It can also be used to burn-in linestages, phonostages, and amplifiers. The sophisticated electronic waveform, a combination of wideband noise and variable frequency amplitude...

www.haglabs.com

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Maybe a DAC that expensive gets bought for the same reason that a Herme's $10,000 Birkin handbag does.

I don’t think that’s the case. I have yet to see any audiophile say they bought any mega buck component just for the looks and/or prestige. There is invariably a claim of substantial improvement in the sound quality itself

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

How the fugh do they call themselves a “lab”

Some of these snake oiler’s must be secretly insecure and envious of real science as they include “lab” or “research” or other serious wording in the company name

Is that envy or salesmanship?

 

[Anton D]

The audio cable burn in tool is $270!

FryBaby3 - Compact Burn-In Generator

The FryBaby3 audio system conditioner is a burn-in signal generator designed especially for cables and interconnects. It can also be used to burn-in linestages, phonostages, and amplifiers. The sophisticated electronic waveform, a combination of wideband noise and variable frequency amplitude...

www.haglabs.com

This seems like a claim that could easily be measured before and after.

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Beware of Poe’s Law in my post—all cables sound the same. Irrespective of conductor. And cost.

No way. You can’t tell me there is no difference between Dudamel and Stokowski;-)

 

[egellings]

I don’t think that’s the case. I have yet to see any audiophile say they bought any mega buck component just for the looks and/or prestige. There is invariably a claim of substantial improvement in the sound quality itself

The claim may well be imaginary, though, just like the feeling of cache in owning the Birkin bag might. Sound quality in reasonably priced equipment can be so good that a technical improvement would not be audible anymore, regardless of equipment price. Simply charging a stratospheric price won't make that happen, either.

 

[Palladium]

The claim may well be imaginary, though, just like the feeling of cache in owning the Birkin bag might. Sound quality in reasonably priced equipment can be so good that a technical improvement would not be audible anymore, regardless of equipment price. Simply charging a stratospheric price won't make that happen, either.

If the infinite veils were lifted everytime a newflanged HiFi product came out then audio stores everywhere wouldn't be continually closing down left and right.

 

[Mart68]

It's nonsense, but it's free of charge nonsense:

CASCADE Free Burn-In Disc – Tara Labs – The Cable Technology Leader

taralabs.com

 

[olds1959special]

I don't think this does anything?

iSilencer+ by iFi audio - USB3.0 Audio Noise Eliminator

Enjoy the 'new' silence. Plug the new, updated iSilencer+ into the USB port of any device to instantly removed signal and power noise. Enjoy cleaner, crisper tunes.

ifi-audio.com

 

[Basic Channel]

It's nonsense, but it's free of charge nonsense:

CASCADE Free Burn-In Disc – Tara Labs – The Cable Technology Leader

taralabs.com

Also a free explanation of burn-in for any skeptics or "confused people".

The phenomenon commonly referred to as “burn-in” is confusing to some people. We prefer to think of the phenomenon as the conditioning of the system with continued use. The phenomenon of burn-in is actually a polarization of effects on a microscopic level. This microscopic world might be as little as a few thousandths of an inch along the length of the conductors within a cable; the thickness of one to three sheets of paper. At this level one can visualize the subtle electromagnetic waves around a conductive wire. These waves are moving through the dielectric (primary insulation) around the conductor. There is a problem at this microscopic level; not all frequencies carried by the electromagnetic waves will pass at the same attitude at every point of the conductive wire. For example, at some point along the conductor, there might be a tiny point of oxidation, and this will limit the range of high frequencies that can pass easily between the same amplitude, perhaps turning AC into DC and creating random audible noise in the cable. At other points, imagine air-gaps between the conductor and the insulation near the conductor surface. These tiny differences cause changes with respect to the different frequencies that are “stored and released” from conductor to dielectric and back again.

I know enough to see through it, but know little of electronics to see through some of the jargon. Do they really mean to write attitude?

 

[CapMan]

This is the thread that just keeps on giving.

 

[DonH56]

Also a free explanation of burn-in for any skeptics or "confused people".



I know enough to see through it, but know little of electronics to see through some of the jargon. Do they really mean to write attitude?

I am guessing in this instance they mean "attitude" as defining a pointing direction, like attitude of an airplane or spacecraft.

It is however another fine example of relating real science at the micro/quantum level to something where it has no place. Misapplication marketing.

 

[Ron Texas]

This is the thread that just keeps on giving.

I started a similar thread as a reaction to an absurd review of an expensive power cord and had no idea that it would turn into hundreds of pages.

 

[egellings]

If the infinite veils were lifted everytime a newflanged HiFi product came out then audio stores everywhere wouldn't be continually closing down left and right.

Audio is a solved problem. Stores would likely stay open because new people are inducted into the audio fold at a pretty constant rate. Plus, there will always be new 'latest and greatests' to keep previous customers bitten by the bug coming back for yet another helpling.

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Audio is a solved problem.

Could not disagree more. IMO we entered a new era of audio excellence about 5 years ago and that era is still young with a lot of room for more new innovations.