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DIY speakers, need advice

Unless you are an experienced tailor. ;)
Well, this is why I asked if OP can reprogram the DSP. If so, that could be a really fun project with good results. If not... arms too short, legs too long, collar too tight, waist too narrow, shoulders too broad... and stuck wearing it. ;)
 
It's internally connected
I have no idea how this rely is supposed to solve any of the issues with the LS60 board Frankensteined into your design?
 
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It's a three-way amp with a mid-bass at 390Hz and a mid-treble at 7khz, that's just my guess, I connected it to the tweeter, midrange speaker, woofer and it seems to get a good sound
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Are you going to use the exact same coaxial driver used in the KEF LS60? And if so, can't you also use the same woofers? If so, you'll also want similar internal volume for the drivers as per the LS60 cabinet, as that might also have an effect.

For an analogy ... Think custom mouthpiece made for Bob. You got Bob's custom mouthpiece, made to fit exactly his teeth & jaw shape. But since you're not Bob, how is his custom mouthpiece going to help you? Nothing will fit. You're not Bob.

You should read up on crossovers, ex; https://audiouniversityonline.com/speaker-crossovers/ , as some said, sounds like a Frankenstein 'design' (lack of) that will likely end up sounding not like a well designed speakers but like if someone just used random parts without any worrying whether it will sound good or not.
 
3D printing adapters would be an obvious and relatively simple option.
I would ask about the cost of 3D printing
Very cheap if you have the skills and equipment already... if someone else does it for you, cost varies.
IMHO, if you have to ask, you can't afford it. It's a cool solution, but you'll also need a CAD design where you'll provide the exact shape which will act as an adapter for attaching the cylinder to the driver, so ... Again, if you have to ask any question about the process, you can likely forget it, because not only is it going to be quite expensive for them to print and ship 18 adapters, 16 for the woofers and 2 for the coaxials, you'll also need to provide the 3D models to whatever company you'll be using. You're probably talking quite a few hundred bucks, maybe close to $1000, for plastic? (50$ per part?) If you want metal, multiply by X?

And then, you still haven't attached those plastic adapters to the cylinder in some fashion, and since it's a sealed cabinet, well, it all needs to be sealed. The parts also need to be strong enough, so you'll have to to be careful about the exact plastic, the fill, etc.,

I'm sure you could find someone or some company to design the CADs for you, you'll likely have to pay a couple thousand dollars for that service also.

So yeah, 100% forget about that. :p
 
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cabinet sealed.
If you haven't done so already, check your design with some speaker design software (WinISD is FREE). ...More or bigger woofers in a "small" sealed box can end-up reducing bass. Although you can overcome that with EQ/DSP and amplifier power. Or, you may find that a port works better with your chosen speakers and cabinet size.
 
You'll need that anyway for doing anything useful in on aluminum cylinder.
Ok yeah if he's going to machine the cylinder using a CNC or whatnot sure, I had imaged he had cylinders available and would cut holes using hand tools lol

The cylinder appears extremely thick on the design, likely can't be as thick, as it would cost a fortune and weigh a ton!

Weird thread, someone with CNC access that doesn't know about 3D printing?
 
I had imaged he had cylinders available and would cut holes using hand tools lol
You'll still need to adapt a flat speaker basket to a curved shape. You can try to do this by hand, but it's also not an easy feat to accompish.
 
IMHO, if you have to ask, you can't afford it. It's a cool solution, but you'll also need a CAD design where you'll provide the exact shape which will act as an adapter for attaching the cylinder to the driver, so ... Again, if you have to ask any question about the process, you can likely forget it, because not only is it going to be quite expensive for them to print and ship 18 adapters, 16 for the woofers and 2 for the coaxials, you'll also need to provide the 3D models to whatever company you'll be using. You're probably talking quite a few hundred bucks, maybe close to $1000, for plastic? (50$ per part?) If you want metal, multiply by X?

And then, you still haven't attached those plastic adapters to the cylinder in some fashion, and since it's a sealed cabinet, well, it all needs to be sealed. The parts also need to be strong enough, so you'll have to to be careful about the exact plastic, the fill, etc.,

I'm sure you could find someone or some company to design the CADs for you, you'll likely have to pay a couple thousand dollars for that service also.

So yeah, 100% forget about that. :p
It will vary a lot. If a friend of mine came to me and asked for help with this, and gave me exact dimensions, I would not charge them very much to whip up these rings and print them. Like maybe $100 total.

For a total stranger it might be more like $500.

I think you're right that commercial services would end up costing around $1000 for this job.

As for DIY - it would be about $600 for the printer and about $5 for the plastic, assuming you can CAD the shapes yourself. Given the pictures in the first post I think that's a possibility.
 
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It looks very cool, but yes some barriers to implementation. I'll third the notion that you need a sub-enclosure for that midwoofer/tweeter. How big, good question. What diameter is that mid/tweet?
 
It will vary a lot. If a friend of mine came to me and asked for help with this, and gave me exact dimensions, I would not charge them very much to whip up these rings and print them. Like maybe $100 total.

For a total stranger it might be more like $500.

I think you're right that commercial services would end up costing around $1000 for this job.

As for DIY - it would be about $600 for the printer and about $5 for the plastic, assuming you can CAD the shapes yourself. Given the pictures in the first post I think that's a possibility.
Rings? It would be quite a bit more complex though than just rings, since you're going from curve to flat... Either the front of the drivers would stick out a bit like for Perlisten speakers (in which case almost worth printing an entire front baffle?), or like the original post drawing the drivers would be inside the cabinet or partially inside & outside, in which case you'd want a smooth transition between woofer and baffle, which would be relatively easy using CNC, depending on the thickness of the aluminum...

Everything has to be completely sealed too... Has to be strong, durable, have good acoustic properties? The rings need to be fastened to the tube also, so printed brackets? Anyway, I'm certain that if you're proficient CAD could indeed be done in a reasonably timely manner... (couple hours?) Trouble is also after that 500-1000$ printing, you'd better print 2 prototypes to make sure everything fits!!!

I still like the idea cylinder + front drivers with removable flat front baffle likely making the build easier, plus you could then keep everything metal, but mix of plastic and metal... Not entirely sure about the 3D printed look, depending on how you treat the aluminum cylinder and printed parts... Guess you go full blown sanding +putty & paint over everything... Lots of work!
 
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Trouble is also after that 500-1000$ printing, you'd better print 2 prototypes to make sure everything fits!!!
This is true, IME if you design something yourself it rarely fits on the first try. This is why DIY for something like this is vastly better than contracting it out. "Rapid prototyping" is not just a buzzword sometimes.

As for what I'd print for this project... assuming they can CNC a flat attachment point for the driver baskets, you'd just need a facing ring with a curved profile, to make the baffle smooth. For that all you need is:

  • Radius of the overall enclousure
  • Diameter of the cutout the ring fits into
  • Diameter of the cutout for the driver itself
  • Measurements for whatever attachment points you put on the back.
  • e: and depth of the cutout
As for acoustic properties... I would try to design the whole cabinet in such a way that you're not depending on the acoustic performance of PETG or PLA. ;)

The look is best managed with sanding, wood filler, sanding, filler primer, sanding, then paint. And maybe repeat a couple of those fill/sand steps.
 
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Rings? It would be quite a bit more complex though than just rings, since you're going from curve to flat... Either the front of the drivers would stick out a bit like for Perlisten speakers (in which case almost worth printing an entire front baffle?), or like the original post drawing the drivers would be inside the cabinet or partially inside & outside, in which case you'd want a smooth transition between woofer and baffle, which would be relatively easy using CNC, depending on the thickness of the aluminum...

Everything has to be completely sealed too... Has to be strong, durable, have good acoustic properties? The rings need to be fastened to the tube also, so printed brackets? Anyway, I'm certain that if you're proficient CAD could indeed be done in a reasonably timely manner... (couple hours?) Trouble is also after that 500-1000$ printing, you'd better print 2 prototypes to make sure everything fits!!!

I still like the idea cylinder + front drivers with removable flat front baffle likely making the build easier, plus you could then keep everything metal, but mix of plastic and metal... Not entirely sure about the 3D printed look, depending on how you treat the aluminum cylinder and printed parts... Guess you go full blown sanding +putty & paint over everything... Lots of work!
I have CNC, in order to reduce the splicing between the plates, so I consider using round tubes for machining, of course I don't have any box design foundation, maybe I will implement this plan in another six months
I can send it to the factory where the surface treatment is made black
Thank you
 

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This is true, IME if you design something yourself it rarely fits on the first try. This is why DIY for something like this is vastly better than contracting it out. "Rapid prototyping" is not just a buzzword sometimes.

As for what I'd print for this project... assuming they can CNC a flat attachment point for the driver baskets, you'd just need a facing ring with a curved profile, to make the baffle smooth. For that all you need is:

  • Radius of the overall enclousure
  • Diameter of the cutout the ring fits into
  • Diameter of the cutout for the driver itself
  • Measurements for whatever attachment points you put on the back.
  • e: and depth of the cutout
As for acoustic properties... I would try to design the whole cabinet in such a way that you're not depending on the acoustic performance of PETG or PLA. ;)

The look is best managed with sanding, wood filler, sanding, filler primer, sanding, then paint. And maybe repeat a couple of those fill/sand steps.
Maybe I can learn some principles about boxes in this project, and DIY can also bring me joy
:):):)
 
It looks very cool, but yes some barriers to implementation. I'll third the notion that you need a sub-enclosure for that midwoofer/tweeter. How big, good question. What diameter is that mid/tweet?
5.5-inch woofer
4-inch mid-tweeter coaxial speaker
He's going to look weird:p
 
I have CNC, in order to reduce the splicing between the plates, so I consider using round tubes for machining, of course I don't have any box design foundation, maybe I will implement this plan in another six months
I can send it to the factory where the surface treatment is made black
Thank you
Wow that is nuts, looking at the left pic, almost looks like it's 2 inch thick aluminum...! How much would just 5 feet of that weigh and cost?! :oops:

the weight of the 5-foot long aluminum cylinder with a 2-inch thick wall and a 240mm outer diameter would be approximately 872.07 lbs.

Cost just for raw alu ~$1000
assuming they can CNC a flat attachment point for the driver baskets, you'd just need a facing ring with a curved profile, to make the baffle smooth.
Yep that would be the way! I misunderstood 'rings'. I thought the cylinders would have a reasonable thickness of something like a quarter inch or less... The 3D printing stuff started off on how you would attach the drivers to the cylinder, so as there likely wouldn't have been been enough material to remove it would have required some sort of adapter/bracket system.

But with 2 inch thick alu there's likely plenty of material to remove with CNC as to create a flat front baffle for the drivers and have plenty of thickness left, so create similar front baffle like https://ca.kef.com/products/muon and yep, just CNC the front baffle as to directly integrate the drivers flush!

Man, 1 ton per speaker... Hurts my back and floor just thinking about it.
 
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DIY speakers, need advice
This is a loudspeaker I designed, machined with 240mm diameter aluminium round pipes, 8 x 4.5" woofers, 1 x 4" KEF mid-tweeter, cabinet sealed.
Since I know very little about acoustics, please let me know if you have a better opinion, it would be appreciated.
Thank you very much for your comments

As a lifelong DIY speaker designer/builder I would strongly urge you to mock up your design before committing to expensive cabinets. Since your design is based on a cylinder, I would mock it up using a PVC pipe or something similar as I am sure your final design will not be your initial concept.

If you are not open to tweaking your initial concept as you make initial measurements and make discoveries, you will force yourself to make sonic compromises and not end up with the highest performing design you may have been able to achieve.
 
Considering 'I know very little about acoustics' this is an awfully ambitious design with various ways in which things can go wrong. I would strongly recommend starting with a simple 2-way, learn the basics behind XO design and measurements and if you get good results, maybe try something more ambitious (like this design). I have tried DIY speakers numerous times, and they always left me wanting more or feeling something wasn't quite right. Last year I attempted to build an 8" 2-way using B&C 8NDL51, SB26ADC in WG and Hypex FA122. I got good results and learnt a lot about the measurement process and VITUIXCAD. Out of pure interest I bought a Genelec 8350 to compare in mono and preferred (quite strongly) the Genelec model. Granted the Genelec was around £700 more expensive than the DIY, but the DIY looked like sh*t and had 0 resale value (boxes are now in the bin, only managed to sell the amp).

So, I would recommend having a play around with the coaxial driver on it's own first in a more simple cabinet design (cabinet design in itself is a rabbit hole), trying out various XO's, box designs etc until you get something you are satisfied with. Attempting to use an OTS crossover, with a seemingly random (I can't see any models usign AKABAK for example) cabinet design and driver arrangement is highly unlikely to yield good results. If this is just for the fun of it, go ahead, but be prepared to potentially throw a decent sum of money down the drain. I hope this post didn't sound too strong, it was not intended that way, rather an attempt to address the multiple elephants in the room.
 
Wow that is nuts, looking at the left pic, almost looks like it's 2 inch thick aluminum...! How much would just 5 feet of that weigh and cost?! :oops:

the weight of the 5-foot long aluminum cylinder with a 2-inch thick wall and a 240mm outer diameter would be approximately 872.07 lbs.

Cost just for raw alu ~$1000

Yep that would be the way! I misunderstood 'rings'. I thought the cylinders would have a reasonable thickness of something like a quarter inch or less... The 3D printing stuff started off on how you would attach the drivers to the cylinder, so as there likely wouldn't have been been enough material to remove it would have required some sort of adapter/bracket system.

But with 2 inch thick alu there's likely plenty of material to remove with CNC as to create a flat front baffle for the drivers and have plenty of thickness left, so create similar front baffle like https://ca.kef.com/products/muon and yep, just CNC the front baffle as to directly integrate the drivers flush!

Man, 1 ton per speaker... Hurts my back and floor just thinking about it.
I choose a round tube with a diameter of 240mm and a thickness of 20mm, and the price of such a material is $200 for me.
Using 2 inches of thickness scares me to death:eek:
 
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