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DIY 2 way filter

Charvel

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Hello,
I want to make a 2 way filter for my DIY speaker project. I went to make :
- High pass 6dB/oct at 9kHz for 4 Ohms ( cond )
- Low pass 6dB/oct at 9kHz for 20 Ohms ( self )

How can I calculate the self and the cond ?
 
Hello,
I want to make a 2 way filter for my DIY speaker project. I went to make :
- High pass 6dB/oct at 9kHz for 4 Ohms ( cond )
- Low pass 6dB/oct at 9kHz for 20 Ohms ( self )

How can I calculate the self and the cond ?
Let me suggest this crossover program:


I used it awhile back to modify a system I built a long time ago, with great results.
It's easy to learn, and will show you graphically the response created by your changes.
You input the speaker parameters, and create your crossover schematic and you get an instant graph of the response.
Very useful, and fun to play with different component values and what response is created.
 
Let me suggest this crossover program:


I used it awhile back to modify a system I built a long time ago, with great results.
It's easy to learn, and will show you graphically the response created by your changes.
You input the speaker parameters, and create your crossover schematic and you get an instant graph of the response.
Very useful, and fun to play with different component values and what response is created.
Do we need to do some measurement like vituixcad ? I don't have a calibration mic yet.
 
Do we need to do some measurement like vituixcad ? I don't have a calibration mic yet.
No measurements needed to design your xover. But you do need the speaker parameters to input into the program.
 
No measurements needed to design your xover. But you do need the speaker parameters to input into the program.
Ok, the woofer that I want to use dont have a lot of parameter disponible and also the tweeter ... I see tonight if it works for my speaker.
 
Ok, the woofer that I want to use dont have a lot of parameter disponible and also the tweeter ... I see tonight if it works for my speaker.
Even if you don't actually build a xover from xsim, it's a lot of fun to try different crossover components and types and instantly see the response and how your changes affect it.
You could just try some generic speaker specs, from the Parts Express catalog, etc, to practice with the program.
 
Even if you don't actually build a xover from xsim, it's a lot of fun to try different crossover components and types and instantly see the response and how your changes affect it.
You could just try some generic speaker specs, from the Parts Express catalog, etc, to practice with the program.
Yeah, I'm going to test it and understand how it works and try to improve my basics.
 
Do we need to do some measurement like vituixcad ? I don't have a calibration mic yet.
Without impedance and frequency response measurements for the individual drivers, and using those in a suitable model (e.g., using VituixCAD), it is an uphill battle trying to get a smooth crossover transition.

It can be done, though, the old school way - using a measurement microphone and a lot of manual adjustment of component values based on results you see from frequency response/phase sweeps (e.g., using REW).
 
Without impedance and frequency response measurements for the individual drivers, and using those in a suitable model (e.g., using VituixCAD), it is an uphill battle trying to get a smooth crossover transition.

It can be done, though, the old school way - using a measurement microphone and a lot of manual adjustment of component values based on results you see from frequency response/phase sweeps (e.g., using REW).
Yes I know, the driver that a choose have some parameter disponible on internet and for the woofer I've demand the technical data on the archive of the brand. It's not really compete but I have the necessary to calculate the volume on WinIsd. I know that in the future I need a mic ( UMC8000 or one at 100$ really well knows ( I forgot the reference )).
 
Yes I know, the driver that a choose have some parameter disponible on internet and for the woofer I've demand the technical data on the archive of the brand. It's not really compete but I have the necessary to calculate the volume on WinIsd. I know that in the future I need a mic ( UMC8000 or one at 100$ really well knows ( I forgot the reference )).
Why did you choose 9 kHz as the crossover frequency? That is high for a two-way design.
 
Why did you choose 9 kHz as the crossover frequency? That is high for a two-way design.
Yes I know, my dad ( I'm 17 french cabinetmaker student ) have a friend that love the audio world. When we came in his house he let me try his system. A diy 22" sub in his table, and diy two way front speaker made with a 8" fostex and ribbon tweeter. The crossover frequency was 10kHz! And it sound really good at my ears. And a normal crossover like 4k is in the frequency that ears heard perfectly so if the filter is not good, it not sound good ( yes like every bad filter, I know ).
 
Yes I know, my dad ( I'm 17 french cabinetmaker student ) have a friend that love the audio world. When we came in his house he let me try his system. A diy 22" sub in his table, and diy two way front speaker made with a 8" fostex and ribbon tweeter. The crossover frequency was 10kHz! And it sound really good at my ears. And a normal crossover like 4k is in the frequency that ears heard perfectly so if the filter is not good, it not sound good ( yes like every bad filter, I know ).
Do you already have the woofer? If not, you might want to use a driver that is specifically configured to play up to at least 10 kHz. A full range driver may work well.

If you already have the woofer, try to find out the frequency range over which it performs well.
 
Do you already have the woofer? If not, you might want to use a driver that is specifically configured to play up to at least 10 kHz. A full range driver may work well.

If you already have the woofer, try to find out the frequency range over which it performs well.
The woofer taht i choose is a Davis 165MRP bi-cone. it as full frequancy range and it's the guy who have the system who recommended it to me. He love it, he have a good dynamics and a good flat response. I dont want to go lower than 70hz ( already have a sub ) so the bass under 90/80hz of the woofer is correct for me.
 
No measurements needed to design your xover.
I think a lot of people would dispute this, as 1) measurements in the cabinet tend to change vs. specs which are typically for IB (I think?), 2) tolerances and inter-sample variation tend to be large for speaker drivers.

So I think doing impedance and mic measurements in the cabinet are considered important for getting a really good result from the crossover.

@Charvel not sure if this fits the budget, but crossovers can also be done digitally or with active analog components, many people do crossovers with MiniDSP boxes, which allow you to tweak as much as you want with no soldering ;)
 
I think a lot of people would dispute this, as 1) measurements in the cabinet tend to change vs. specs which are typically for IB (I think?), 2) tolerances and inter-sample variation tend to be large for speaker drivers.

So I think doing impedance and mic measurements in the cabinet are considered important for getting a really good result from the crossover.

@Charvel not sure if this fits the budget, but crossovers can also be done digitally or with active analog components, many people do crossovers with MiniDSP boxes, which allow you to tweak as much as you want with no soldering ;)
Yes I know, I need to buy a little bit different composant that I find on my calcul to test and choose the best result at my ears. The " active method " is to expensive for me. I need an active filter and amp for the active speaker. And my amp don't have pre-amp out ...
The measurement can be later, I have the money for the mic ( not the umik1 but the UMC8000 yes ) and I need an amp to do the measurement. I can't do that on my HT amp so I need another for the test. And the filter is not the most expensive part so it's not a problem to remake it. And the part that I buy before can always be use in the future !
 
As long as your source is a computer, you can run some basic preliminary crossover tests in a number of creative ways if you’re comfortable with software. Switching output to mono and driving each driver with one channel would allow basic filter testing before purchasing physical components. I believe VCAD can translate the “transfer function” of a passive filter into an active one, if you ask it nicely. You can also protect your tweeter and woofer with some high pass filtering before running sine sweeps.
 
As long as your source is a computer, you can run some basic preliminary crossover tests in a number of creative ways if you’re comfortable with software. Switching output to mono and driving each driver with one channel would allow basic filter testing before purchasing physical components. I believe VCAD can translate the “transfer function” of a passive filter into an active one, if you ask it nicely. You can also protect your tweeter and woofer with some high pass filtering before running sine sweeps.
Yes, but it's a little bit to complicated for me in this moment. I do it when I have more confiance of what I do.
 
Hi,
I have a problem, how can I use a driver not all the essential information on Vituix ? I want to use a DAYTON AUDIO ND25FW-4, but Vituix can't use it because I don't have Sd and some other information....
 
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