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David Chesky on Streaming Convenience vs Sound Quality

I'm not sure @beagleman was referring to that type of church - more the pentecostal type with a Christian take on modern music. I may be wrong.
Yes, what I was involved with was basically, medium scale "Christian pop/rock" music.

Acoustic guitar, electric Bass, Electric guitar, Isolated drum kit, Keyboard, and one lead vocal and 2 back up singers.

A very well designed room with acoustics taken into account and approximately 225-300 people usually.
 
Off topic, regarding the Chesky speakers with "tesselation diffraction" technology: even worse than I thought. Makes every Chesky marketing statement totally unbelieveable. Lesson learned...
 
Off topic, regarding the Chesky speakers with "tesselation diffraction" technology: even worse than I thought. Makes every Chesky marketing statement totally unbelieveable. Lesson learned...
As if they weren't for the last couple decades?
There was a time when the label distributed some awesome sounding recordings, but they mostly went down the tubes along with just about everything
else coming out of the "High End" media. Truly sad what has happened to our industry. :(
 
I have quite a few Chesky LPs (all out of print - but readily available on Discogs) and downloads from Chesky's site, The Audiophile Society. Every single one sounds wonderful. He clearly has an ear for good sounding recordings. Sometimes the performances themselves are not to my taste, but the impeccable audio quality is a constant.

You may not agree with his opinions, but to dismiss his accomplishments without sampling what he has to offer is to perhaps miss out on some wonderful performances and technical mastery. Isn't experiencing well-made performances and recordings what we're all searching for?
 
You may not agree with his opinions, but to dismiss his accomplishments without sampling what he has to offer is to perhaps miss out on some wonderful performances and technical mastery. Isn't experiencing well-made performances and recordings what we're all searching for?
Yes I bought quite a few Chesky's from back in the day, I would buy recordings that got the glowing detailed subjective reviews to help me judge my systems against what they wrote about hearing. Kind of the way we did things in the ole days. LOL Don't need to do that stuff any more, thankfully things have improved greatly from back then when only a small number of consumer grade LP's came out of the sleeve without issue. It's extremely rare that digital media, either hard or download, doesn't provide perfect playback performance.
My unhappiness with the senior Mr Chesky was his joining up with the high end snake-oil clan that took over much of audio marketing in the last few decades. I did make it sound like the audio quality of their labels output had gone downhill and that was unfair since I haven't heard anything new in a long time. I only buy music today that I enjoy, not just something that got great reviews for it's sound quality.
But IMHO the brand has lost it's way, now firmly in the high-end clan that denounces measurement against pure subjective listening. While many in the clan are gushing all over the net about his new speakers, Erins review has revealed the real truth of their performance. Of course the Sr Chesky had already covered his bets in the "streaming sound sucks" paper he wrote where he states the measurements of speakers is mostly irrelevant and the unverified ear tuning is what counts. Also in the same paper he writes on how he can hear the difference between a streamed file and his sourced file when the two null out?
"The real mystery to me is that when we capture both files in a Digital Audio Workstation, they null out. So what causes the difference in sound? Even though it’s a digital signal, could it be some triboelectric effect over long wires? Could all the complex connections across the web be picking up electrical noise along the way, degrading the sound during playback?
After downloading and confirming that the files were identical, the streamed version still sounded different in real-time playback. Perhaps there's an "X factor" not yet captured in current scientific testing. But with my extensive experience in live and recorded music, I trust my ears over any graph."

Here we go again, there's magic there that he can hear but can't be measured. BS !
How about you prove that claim in a publicly held, bias controlled, DBL session.?
Of course he hears a difference, there must be one, or he won't sell his expensive files. :facepalm:
 
Yes I bought quite a few Chesky's from back in the day, I would buy recordings that got the glowing detailed subjective reviews to help me judge my systems against what they wrote about hearing. Kind of the way we did things in the ole days. LOL Don't need to do that stuff any more, thankfully things have improved greatly from back then when only a small number of consumer grade LP's came out of the sleeve without issue. It's extremely rare that digital media, either hard or download, doesn't provide perfect playback performance.
My unhappiness with the senior Mr Chesky was his joining up with the high end snake-oil clan that took over much of audio marketing in the last few decades. I did make it sound like the audio quality of their labels output had gone downhill and that was unfair since I haven't heard anything new in a long time. I only buy music today that I enjoy, not just something that got great reviews for it's sound quality.
But IMHO the brand has lost it's way, now firmly in the high-end clan that denounces measurement against pure subjective listening. While many in the clan are gushing all over the net about his new speakers, Erins review has revealed the real truth of their performance. Of course the Sr Chesky had already covered his bets in the "streaming sound sucks" paper he wrote where he states the measurements of speakers is mostly irrelevant and the unverified ear tuning is what counts. Also in the same paper he writes on how he can hear the difference between a streamed file and his sourced file when the two null out?
"The real mystery to me is that when we capture both files in a Digital Audio Workstation, they null out. So what causes the difference in sound? Even though it’s a digital signal, could it be some triboelectric effect over long wires? Could all the complex connections across the web be picking up electrical noise along the way, degrading the sound during playback?
After downloading and confirming that the files were identical, the streamed version still sounded different in real-time playback. Perhaps there's an "X factor" not yet captured in current scientific testing. But with my extensive experience in live and recorded music, I trust my ears over any graph."

Here we go again, there's magic there that he can hear but can't be measured. BS !
How about you prove that claim in a publicly held, bias controlled, DBL session.?
Of course he hears a difference, there must be one, or he won't sell his expensive files. :facepalm:
Clearly, David Chesky is biased. He is also proud of his son, which is admirable.

Every once in a while, one has to look past an artist's opinions in order to discover his art. The composer Richard Wagner is reviled today because of his antisemitism. And rightfully so. But to completely block everything an artist creates is to often lose out on some incredible masterpieces, especially from RW.

Sales and marketing strategies have one goal - to get more sales. I wonder what (fill in the blank) product sales would be like if all marketing strategies were truthful and salespeople never told a whitish lie.

I am grateful that we have ASR to warn us about poor products. I've used ASR this way many times for ear buds, headphone amps, and products that can be used as remotely controlled volume controls (Fosi P4 for example). Stereophile and other magazines sometimes publish measurements, but these seem to take a back seat to the flowery prose that preceded it. And how many readers even understand how the results of those measurements will affect the sound that is heard on one's own system, nevermind what's good and what's bad.

There is more involved in deciding which product to buy than the pure facts. Yet facts are an important part of the decision.
 
Clearly, David Chesky is biased. He is also proud of his son, which is admirable.
I didn't directly condemn Mr Chesky for praising his son, what I did was use a poor performing speaker as an example of his membership in the "high end clan" for their praise when the speaker is mostly poor performing. But then we have glaring examples of a bunch of them in our threads. LOL

I am grateful that we have ASR to warn us about poor products. I've used ASR this way many times for ear buds, headphone amps, and products that can be used as remotely controlled volume controls (Fosi P4 for example).
A GOOD DAY to praise not only ASR, but Audioholics, Archimago's, Erins Corner, Mitchco, and a small handful of other objective, measurement based sites
that have come along in the last couple decades. Personally I refer to the 1980s to 2010s as the dark ages of audio. A time when the "sounds good to me, ears first/only" crowd had taken over progress in audio. No matter how bad your rig measures, if you like it that may be all that counts to you. But not a single step forward in the reproduction of music in the home has ever been taken by listening to and praising horrid measuring gear. Crap is crap and nothing will ever change that fact, or "you'll never make a silk purse from a sows ear. LOL
Thanks @Amir and the rest.
Sal1950
 
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