If more power amplifier channels are required than the X3700H or X4700H provide then of course the X6700H with 11 channels, and the X8500 with 13 channels are the obvious choices.
Where would we be without ASR; in a world of chaos worse than a pandemic.
If going 8k makes sense to probably get a unit that is 8k without having to send it in. On the open box, same return policy as other items. Often times, some dealers will sell an open box, that isn't even a returned unit but a new unit to advertise less than MAP pricing to move volume. Also check with a good dealer via phone is my advice. Often times it is just a new unit. Always worth checking.That is all understood, and no I'm not a gamer unless my son jumps into the picture. I did consider all my options, including a discounted 8500H.
I'm not into shipping heavy systems UPS / FEDX back and forth for upgrades. Sounds like a good idea but I'm not looking for additional trouble.
I'm going all high end, 8K audio / 8K Samsung as a final solution. That said, eARC vs ARC is my bottle neck if going from 8500H - 8500Ha.
Open box? I prefer 30/60 day money back guarantee, if when I buy a system. Needed time to run through testing of most feature / function.
Open box, not sure how that would work. Almost like buying a used car, someone else's headache? Hit or miss... I'm having enough problems with brand new systems, imagine open box? lol
Thanks!
In regards to heat.. If it isn't in an enclosed area with lots of free space probably fine. Where I have found issues if it is in any kind of enclosed area then you such consider an aircom type of unit or usb fans.I'm considering the X4700H and have a couple of questions. First is the heat issue. I would be running 5.2 speakers using the internal amps. Should I be worried/concerned about heat with this AVR? Second question regarding HDMI 2.1. I currently use a 2.0 fiber optic HDMI to pass through a 4k signal to my PJ. Would the X4700H 2.1 port pass a 4K signal through a 2.0HDMI cable? Thanks in advance
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Pre-amp behavior changes depending on rxr amp on/"off" selection. The significance of the difference is dependent on your channel usage (internal/external) and external amp input requirements. There are 2 choices for rxr amp "off" to externally amplify- L/R and "all" (blue line applies to both cases). If you want to externally amplify beyond L/R and short of "all" (like C or some number of surrounds), the green line will apply for those specific "additional" channels.
This is where your external amp input requirements come into play. Degradation in performance (in both usage cases) begins above 1.4V pre-out (amp input drive level). The measurable difference between the blue and green cases is obvious. Where this degradation becomes significant/objectionable is a matter of debate and is also dependent on your specific system/listening environment/volume preference.
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The 8500 has a very similar blue/green graph, but it has a huge (in my opinion) operational difference from the "lesser" rxrs- it provides the option to turn "off" any desired internal amp channel. It has better performance for the "off" blue line ([email protected] and 102dB@2V) and most significantly- it's performance on the green line (also better) is not relevant (in regard to external amplification), since any desired channel can be turned "off" (blue line would then apply).
Flagship model/capabilities at a flagship price- unfortunately, no "trickle down" for the amp selection options...
I'm considering the X4700H and have a couple of questions. First is the heat issue. I would be running 5.2 speakers using the internal amps. Should I be worried/concerned about heat with this AVR? Second question regarding HDMI 2.1. I currently use a 2.0 fiber optic HDMI to pass through a 4k signal to my PJ. Would the X4700H 2.1 port pass a 4K signal through a 2.0HDMI cable? Thanks in advance
I have the Denon X4700H setup on top of a cabinet in open air. It gets HOT without fans, if I'm not using ECO mode ON. I installed the $20 AC Infinity MULTIFAN S7 on top with fans blowing air up on the low setting and the heat dropped 20 degrees while the unit remained quiet. I tried the AC Infinity AIRCOM T10 first but even in low speed it was louder than the S7, cost 5x more and didn't do as good a job for my 4700.
I use standard 8K HDMI cables from Monoprice so I'm not familiar with your second question.
It's been a while since that post. I bought a 4700 last February. I've had three Denon's fail from heat (one twice) all were HDMI/video boards
So I bought a new rack that is open on all sides, +5 inches all around and put 1/2" felt pads under the feet as well as an S7 on top....this time, hopefully it ain't gonna burn up again. lol
I have the Denon X4700H setup on top of a cabinet in open air. It gets HOT without fans, if I'm not using ECO mode ON. I installed the $20 AC Infinity MULTIFAN S7 on top with fans blowing air up on the low setting and the heat dropped 20 degrees while the unit remained quiet. I tried the AC Infinity AIRCOM T10 first but even in low speed it was louder than the S7, cost 5x more and didn't do as good a job for my 4700.
I use standard 8K HDMI cables from Monoprice so I'm not familiar with your second question.
Sorry to hear that, what a inconvenience having to send it back more than once! Did they change the board under warranty each time and you only have to pay shipping one way?
I think >5 inches all around should be fine if the room temperature is in the mid 20's or so but I would still suggest one single 120 mm Infinity USB fan on top or blow from across from back to front. Just set it to the low speed and you won't hear it from you mlp.
First Denon fried just after warranty expired. I repaired it and sold it basically for the the cost of the repair. Next, Denon 4200 cooked HDMI/video card under warranty. Denon paid postage and repair cost but it took over a month for parts....same AVR same part failure at the 4 year point last year and Denon no longer stocks the 4 year old card so I haven't sent it to United Radio for a part rebuild and repair as once again there is no point to spending $600 to repair a poorly designed part on an AVR with outdated HDMI curcuits. Neither of these AVRs were ever over driven, they were in my basement HT where the ambient temperature is constantly between 72-74 F, the house has state of the art air filtration and the AVRs had plenty of air movement around them. Bad luck or crappy board design/heat management? I think it's the latter....my new 4700 operates substantially warmer to the touch than the two previous Denons....but once again I have taken extra precautions to keep the new one cooler.
I bought a Denon 4500 in Feb last year. By August, the height channels were crackling. I sent it in for repair per Denon's instructions to PanguryOEM. They had it for several months. It cost $100 to ship it to them. I started calling and they said the part was finally in and shipped it back to me. When I got it, the top and front of the receiver was badly scratched and mine looked like new when I sent it in. In addition, the front access panel was bent and wouldn't close. Denon paid the return shipping and said they would fix it a 2nd time. Two weeks later I was told it couldn't be fixed and they would replace it with another unit. I finally got another receiver but it was 3 months later.
Denon should offer free warranty return shipping and if they can't fix the unit within three weeks they should replace it. The way Denon handled my warranty, you pretty much had to buy another receiver if you need to ship the broken one to them. Since Denon closed repair access for local repair facilities it's almost impossible to get receivers fixed locally. Denon offers a nice receiver when it works but Denon warranty is not a service I want to experience again. The S7 fans have been great at keeping my 4700 fan cool. I certainly don't want another problem.
If my story was isolated I would chalk it up to bad luck. But in the last year I have read reports from other Denon users on their repair experience. They offered similar stories of delay and angst. Denon always comes through in the end. But customer's shouldn't need to wait 2 to 3 months for a repair issue to be resolved.[/QUOT
Sorry to hear that. There are plenty of similar stories on the forums but those who truthfully tell their bad experiences with Denon are shyed away from for some reason....perhaps others hope they won't catch the disease. lol Two of the larger and more reputable authorized Denon repair shops told me last year they are no longer authorized repair facilities and both recommended I send my units to United Radio in New York who can rebuild boards and parts faster than than they would be available from Denon. To me it's just plain planned obsolescence when parts for a less than 4 year old AVR are not available from the manufacturer.
The sad part is many, like myself run right out and buy another Denon. What else am I going to do when I have tens of thousands of dollars in a dedicated theater room that we use several hours 5 or 6 nights a week and the heart of the system (AVR) dies? Twice I've hooked up one of my old reliable Yamaha or Onkyo's until I get sick of not being able to pass 4K and after a couple of weeks of that I run right out to my local Denon Vendor who gives me a military discount and I plop down $1500 for another Denon that based on my experience and all honesty I don't expect to work a day beyond it's 3 year warranty.
Ok, I'll move to CA where homes cost 4x as much so I can get free shipping.
Use care if you move to CA. You might run head-on into one of the flood of people moving out of CA..., many of whom haven't learned a thing and screwup other states.