Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

[Galliardist]

See post above. (If there were an emojie for rolling my eyes, I would be using it now.)

There you go.

 

[Axo1989]

See post above. (If there were an emojie for rolling my eyes, I would be using it now.)

*that's Schrödinger's eyroll

 

[antcollinet]

And there have been thousands of years after pictographs and before emojies when writers did not rely on them.

But "writers" in this context, are not engaged in the same type of writing as done on internet based discussion forums.

This is discussion - back and forth (albeit spread over days), and very informal. With serious topics/points intermingled with whatever humor people want to interject. In this sort of forum based interaction, people are writing like they would speak face to face, without the formality, structure - and lets face it, thought - of other types of writing. (eg articles/books/news/magazines etc).

Forum discussions will never have the careful selection of words and phrases to make the meaning and intent of what is written clear and unambiguous: misunderstandings are inevitable. Emoji's help here as described above.

Anyway - this is a very minor point, not sure why I'm spending so much time on it I'll leave it here. Except for.....

(If there were an emojie for rolling my eyes, I would be using it now.)

You mean like this?

 

[KEM]

Perhaps you are a little too confident that they are obvious. For example, "obvious to whom?" Most people walking into an electrical goods store are being told that the first advantage of vinyl is that it provides the best sound quality, "obviously".

Even here in this thread, and recently, 'that warm vinyl sound' is being touted as an advantage. There are two aspects to that claim that are being discussed: one, does vinyl actually have a warm sound, and two, is warmth an advantage.

So, using your confidence, settle this for us: does vinyl actually have a warm sound, 'obviously'? And is that an advantage or a disadvantage, 'obviously'?

cheers

Here's a very, very, anecdotal comment. I was leaving my audio room one day and bumped in to Linda, my partner, Linda said to me "You played vinyl all day". Since she had no idea what medium I was playing, I asked her "What do you mean"? Her reply "It sounds richer". She was correct about vinyl all day.
Linda only listens to music as background. She has no idea what stuff I have, what it is good for and how it all works together. Clueless. While she was listening she was in the living room, reading.
But she did notice a difference. I find that significant.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Here's a very, very, anecdotal comment. I was leaving my audio room one day and bumped in to Linda, my partner, Linda said to me "You played vinyl all day". Since she had no idea what medium I was playing, I asked her "What do you mean"? Her reply "It sounds richer". She was correct about vinyl all day.
Linda only listens to music as background. She has no idea what stuff I have, what it is good for and how it all works together. Clueless. While she was listening she was in the living room, reading.
But she did notice a difference. I find that significant.

 

[KEM]

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Care to explain?

 

[MattHooper]

Care to explain?

Anecdotes are not greeted warmly on this forum.

I liked your story, not that it had anything definitive to say about the subject, but it was interesting.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Care to explain?

It is an audiophile archetype of subjectivist audiophiles to say, "the wife heard the difference in the kitchen", or the other room or asked what was different, and she doesn't care or pay attention to any of that. As if it bolsters the kind of things audiophiles describe about all kinds of different things, LP vs CD, SS vs tubes, cables, etc etc etc.

Nothing personal toward you, but we have literally read that description hundreds of times on this forum. As the cliche goes, the plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[Robin L]

It is an audiophile archetype of subjectivist audiophiles to say, "the wife heard the difference in the kitchen", or the other room or asked what was different, and she doesn't care or pay attention to any of that. As if it bolsters the kind of things audiophiles describe about all kinds of different things, LP vs CD, SS vs tubes, cables, etc etc etc.

Nothing personal toward you, but we have literally read that description hundreds of times on this forum. As the cliche goes, the plural of anecdote is not data.

I played my wife the 'die katz' excerpt from Biber's Sonata violino solo representativa today. She noticed that it sounded like cats (it's supposed to). She also asked to leave the room before its 59 seconds had passed. I don't think she ever noticed any sorts of sonic differences in our 20+ years together except right at the start when I played the first issue LP of Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" vs. the original CD of the same. I think Warner Brother's botched the CD that time around. Then again, it might be that I was playing the LP at a slightly higher volume. I notice the 2015 hi-rez (24/44.1) version on Tidal is either louder or more compressed. But anyway, Gail's happy with her music in her car and that's about it. No anecdotes from these quarters.

 

[Galliardist]

It is an audiophile archetype of subjectivist audiophiles to say, "the wife heard the difference in the kitchen", or the other room or asked what was different, and she doesn't care or pay attention to any of that. As if it bolsters the kind of things audiophiles describe about all kinds of different things, LP vs CD, SS vs tubes, cables, etc etc etc.

Nothing personal toward you, but we have literally read that description hundreds of times on this forum. As the cliche goes, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Msybe my circle is VERY limited.. but I have never heard anyone actually say the "partner" thing in person. It's only ever written down in some form. Given that I have heard every other class of subjectivist cliche directly from someone in person (and often while they were trying to sell me something), I do find it odd.

 

[HammersRocco]

Here's a very, very, anecdotal comment. I was leaving my audio room one day and bumped in to Linda, my partner, Linda said to me "You played vinyl all day". Since she had no idea what medium I was playing, I asked her "What do you mean"? Her reply "It sounds richer". She was correct about vinyl all day.
Linda only listens to music as background. She has no idea what stuff I have, what it is good for and how it all works together. Clueless. While she was listening she was in the living room, reading.
But she did notice a difference. I find that significant.

You are right, it is an anecdotal observation. But, significant? Actually it is the opposite; it is insignificant ! An accurate description, pls understand, not a put down or an insult.

An uncontrolled observation with a sample of size one is equivalent to "zero evidence".

And I like vinyl! You can read my reasoned defense of it, always not on sound, but on the argument of personal preference that should be respected.

However, comment doesn't help. Specially not here.

 

[HammersRocco]

It is an audiophile archetype of subjectivist audiophiles to say, "the wife heard the difference in the kitchen", or the other room or asked what was different, and she doesn't care or pay attention to any of that. As if it bolsters the kind of things audiophiles describe about all kinds of different things, LP vs CD, SS vs tubes, cables, etc etc etc.

Nothing personal toward you, but we have literally read that description hundreds of times on this forum. As the cliche goes, the plural of anecdote is not data.

I have said it many times (you can search and I do apologize, for being... a broken record! ) I call it "Argument from disinterested authority" - A variation of the argument from authority fallacy, where the authority comes from the subject's (most likely the female spouse, as indicated in the post) lack of interest or care about audio clears her of biases and prejudice. An with that, since it normally always expresses agreement with the audiophile, well, audiophile believes that it validates what is just an opinion.

And very often, to tell you the truth, I doubt the event happened or that even the spouse exists!

(I kid, I kid)

But then again, my wife who is an engineer (just to add some authority here! ) looked at me and my vinyl AND FROM THE KITCHEN SHE SAID... "YOU ARE AN IDIOT!"

But I guess, all around here agree with that!

 

[MattHooper]

I certainly agree it is an insignificant anecdote in terms of any evidential worth.

But on a slightly different subject, I have always enjoyed anecdotes about non-audiophiles encountering high-end audio gear. One of my favourite things has always been when a non-audiophile shows enough interest to have a listen to my system, and their reaction is always interesting in one way or another.
More than one guest has actually been brought to tears!

And on a vinyl anecdote, as I’ve said before , it’s been fun to play records for some guests who are surprised that records can sound that good.

 

[HammersRocco]

Msybe my circle is VERY limited.. but I have never heard anyone actually say the "partner" thing in person. It's only ever written down in some form. Given that I have heard every other class of subjectivist cliche directly from someone in person (and often while they were trying to sell me something), I do find it odd.

Just search Hoffman... and in fact.. well, just happened here!

 

[HammersRocco]

I certainly agree it is an insignificant anecdote in terms of any evidential worth.
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And on a vinyl anecdote, as I’ve said before , it’s been fun to play records for some guests who are surprised that records can sound that good.

Indeed - but, that is obviously a different thing... As I always say when I demo vinyl to friends, "It is amazing how well it works, given that all we are doing is scratching a surface with a rock!"

 

[Galliardist]

Just search Hoffman... and in fact.. well, just happened here!

I'm referring to not having heard someone say it to my face, in person, in the same room. Hearing their voice and watching their lips move. IRL I believe is the web jargon.

As opposed to reading it in a magazine, or on a forum, or elsewhere on the internet.

 

[Newman]

…. As I always say when I demo vinyl to friends, "It is amazing how well it works, given that all we are doing is scratching a surface with a rock!"

whoa,whoa,whoa! Who said anything about scratching?

 

[HammersRocco]

I'm referring to not having heard someone say it to my face, in person, in the same room. Hearing their voice and watching their lips move. IRL I believe is the web jargon.

As opposed to reading it in a magazine, or on a forum, or elsewhere on the internet.

Oh sure - But it makes sense - I have never had the arguments IRL that I had over at Hoffman, Audiophile Style, Roon forum and even here when they dare to come an try to drop the mic on us.

It is, I agree, it is obviously a purely internet bickering thing. That is the reason it is dropped so much when we are bickering over the things. On the internet, nobody knows you are a dog, you don't have a wife or if you do, the internet might even believe she heard the differences from the kitchen!

 

[Galliardist]

Oh sure - But it makes sense - I have never had the arguments IRL that I had over at Hoffman, Audiophile Style, Roon forum and even here when they dare to come an try to drop the mic on us.

It is, I agree, it is obviously a purely internet bickering thing. That is the reason it is dropped so much when we are bickering over the things. On the internet, nobody knows you are a dog, you don't have a wife or if you do, the internet might even believe she heard the differences from the kitchen!

When I bought my current electronics one of my "friends" called me a traitor and wouldn't speak to me for a couple of months. Real life can be as bad as the internet.

 

[Thomas_A]

Regarding the "wife in the kitchen hearing something that is better", the only thing I hear from her is "turn down the volume".