Message to golden-eared audiophiles posting at ASR for the first time...

[BDWoody]

What ASR really needs is more posters with experiences with hallucinogens.

I thought that's what many of these posts were...

 

[Robin L]

What ASR really needs is more posters with experiences with hallucinogens.

Yo!

 

[raif71]

Far out man.

Yeah kind of spooky ... when one state changes, the other entangled state too follows it's behavior

 

[Robin L]

What ASR really needs is more posters with experiences with hallucinogens.

This might explain how I wound up with that quantum purifier.

 

[pads]

What ASR really needs is more posters with experiences with hallucinogens.

I'm in!

 

[watchnerd]

I'm in!

We need a preference score system for substances.

 

[pads]

Can't say I heard much but I sure saw some strange things.

 

[murraycamp]

Yeah kind of spooky ... when one state changes, the other entangled state too follows it's behavior

Quantum entanglement freaks me out.

 

[Robin L]

Quantum entanglement freaks me out.

Ask your doctor if Thorazine is right for you.

 

[JSmith]

Quantum entanglement freaks me out.

Mate you're not alone... it even freaked out Einstein, spooky action at a distance. It's clear we have only a rudimentary understanding of reality... how this relates to an amp or pair of speakers though is a bit beyond me.



JSmith

 

[ahofer]

What ASR really needs is more posters with experiences with hallucinogens.

If you really want a component/treatment that gives you that “holy shit”/veils from my eyes/Prat/revealing of detail/etc. experience, may I suggest about 5mg of thc? It’s much less expensive than almost anything else discussed herein, even phone calls from Geoff Kait. And it’s legal in many states.

it may even bring the wife running out of the kitchen to ask what you changed or just say “whoa”. In all likelihood she will also bring the best brownies and ice cream you’ve ever tasted.

Highly recommended

 

[Killingbeans]

But I do sometimes wonder if an objectivist hears no difference between components, whether that too might be explained by expectation bias?

Absolutely. I'd even go as far as to say that the only way of becoming a 100% objectivist is to remove yourself from the equation. We are all subjectivists, and we all have frequent moments in our lives where the line between anxiety and annoyance blurs. Doesn't really matter whether it's BS poetry or sky high SINAD numbers that makes us hear or not hear things.

I agree with the those who say that the whole idea of dividing people into two groups of "objectivists" and "subjectivists" is complete nonsense.

The hobby seems to be centered around a hunt for a personal realization of a "perfect" playback system. Sometimes (or most of the time?) the hunt itself becomes the thing that makes the hobby worthwhile. Sometimes you'd like the hunt to be as short and effective as possible, and objectivism is a good tool for that, even though it won't make you immune to subjectivism... thankfully.

 

[murraycamp]

Highly recommended

Preach.

 

[Gorgonzola]

Absolutely. I'd even go as far as to say that the only way of becoming a 100% objectivist is to remove yourself from the equation. We are all subjectivists, and we all have frequent moments in our lives where the line between anxiety and annoyance blurs. Doesn't really matter whether it's BS poetry or sky high SINAD numbers that makes us hear or not hear things.

I agree with the those who say that the whole idea of dividing people into two groups of "objectivists" and "subjectivists" is complete nonsense.

The hobby seems to be centered around a hunt for a personal realization of a "perfect" playback system. Sometimes (or most of the time?) the hunt itself becomes the thing that makes the hobby worthwhile. Sometimes you'd like the hunt to be as short and effective as possible, and objectivism is a good tool for that, even though it won't make you immune to subjectivism... thankfully.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Audiophile enjoyment comes from the hunt for perfect sound, not the achievement of it, (fortunately impossible).

Audiophiles tend to delude themselves about improvements that various components can make. For instance, that cables can make a "huge difference" to the sound is a silly meme, IMO.

On the other hand it's an objectivist meme that "all amplifiers sound the same". It would be quite a stretch to insist that a insist that a 300B tube amp sounds like a Purifi 1ET400A.

 

[SIY]

On the other hand it's an objectivist meme that "all amplifiers sound the same". It would be quite a stretch to insist that a insist that a 300B tube amp sounds like a Purifi 1ET400A.

Which is why no-one says such a thing.

 

[watchnerd]

5mg of thc?

5 mg?

Too low.

That's like 1/2 an edible.

 

[Mnyb]

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Audiophile enjoyment comes from the hunt for perfect sound, not the achievement of it, (fortunately impossible).

Audiophiles tend to delude themselves about improvements that various components can make. For instance, that cables can make a "huge difference" to the sound is a silly meme, IMO.

On the other hand it's an objectivist meme that "all amplifiers sound the same". It would be quite a stretch to insist that a insist that a 300B tube amp sounds like a Purifi 1ET400A.

The underlying assumption is that all amplifiers are sane designs done according to the accumulated knowledge we have.
And not driven above their limitations . You simply need to say stuff like "all amplifiers sound the same" with qualifications .

They actually should sound the same" if FR is flat, output impedance is very low and thd is reasonably low and noise is low"

Sadly high end audio is not that the performance at the top is often far worse than the cheapest wallmart DVD player you can get.
It's a self fulling prophecy "i'll design acordings to this myth and unorthodox theories and by ear" , lo and behold it actually sounds different , no sh*t sherlock

 

[Gorgonzola]

Which is why no-one says such a thing.

... That all amp sound the same.

Well, I've heard it said. To be sure, 300B versus Purifi is an extreme case.

 

[watchnerd]

... That all amp sound the same.

Well, I've heard it said. To be sure, 300B versus Purifi is an extreme case.

I can't get past the cognitive dissonance of your cheese picture and the alternative spelling.

 

[Gorgonzola]

I can't get past the cognitive dissonance of your cheese picture and the alternative spelling.

To be sure, it ought to be 'Gorgonzola'. Merely my misspelling.