Entreq "signal grounding" Measurements

[Don Hills]

I see the difference as being that Frank isn't being disrespectful / combative / disruptive etc. He's not telling us we're all full of cr*p because we don't agree with him. He's just stating his beliefs. If stating one's beliefs and experiences were a bannable offence there'd be few people left here.

 

[NorthSky]

100% with you Don.

 

[Thomas savage]

Moderation

Some posts have been deleted, keep to the topic. The nature of this diversion was unhelpful.

 

[Dynamix]

Sorry about that...

 

[Detlof]

Well here goes: I first heard about Entreq on the WBF and got a lot of flak, because I found the explanations given unreasonable. Later I repented, because some of the posters who to me seemed to have similar tastes in music to mine wrote good things about them, although even then, the "theory" behind it all did not make sense to me. So the audiophile gods seemed to need a sacrifice and I bought some of Olofs gear did as I was told and heard nothing. But after a week or so, there seemed to be a definite change. It felt as if I could listen deeper into the music, the entire flow seemed more natural ( closer to my remembrance of real live music). So I was merrily being taken back into the fold at WBF, even though I told them, that I was not sure, if the change from what I heard came from outside of or from what is between my ears.
The measurements reported here have helped me to pinpoint the origins for what I experienced more precicely. I will keep the Entreqs however, so not to offend the audiophile gods. Measurements are not their thing.

 

[RayDunzl]

I will keep the Entreqs however, so not to offend the audiophile gods.

Did you mean to not offend the gods, or the shamans?

 

[Purité Audio]

What sort of cost are we talking about for making absolutely no difference whatsoever?
Keith

 

[Detlof]

Did you mean to not offend the gods, or the shamans?

Ray, don't you understand, the shaman was me, made a fool of by the gods.

 

[Sal1950]

It's just human nature that you can't escape. You've inserted a piece of gear and are listening intently for changes. And guess what, the more intently you listen, the deeper into the music you hear.
Just the way it goes, first your money and then your clothes.

 

[Detlof]

It's just human nature that you can't escape. You've inserted a piece of gear and are listening intently for changes. And guess what, the more intently you listen, the deeper into the music you hear.
Just the way it goes, first your money and then your clothes.

I beg to differ: It was exactly the other way around. As I first listened intently I heard nothing and felt that I had been had. Only a week later, listening casually, I thought that I heard a change which I liked and made my peace with Olof. No more peace now though.
Lesson here Sal: Not all the myths about audiophile listening are true every time.

 

[RayDunzl]

An interview with the head Shaman:

 

[Sal1950]

I beg to differ: It was exactly the other way around. As I first listened intently I heard nothing and felt that I had been had. Only a week later, listening casually, I thought that I heard a change which I liked and made my peace with Olof. No more peace now though.
Lesson here Sal: Not all the myths about audiophile listening are true every time.

So you believe that after that first week you shut off the subconscious knowledge that you have inserted a new component. But started hearing some sound quality improvements "just because"? I guess that's possible but there could be a deeper meaning.

 

[Detlof]

So you believe that after that first week you shut off the subconscious knowledge that you have inserted a new component. But started hearing some sound quality improvements "just because"? I guess that's possible but there could be a deeper meaning.

Yes of course, a " deeper meaning " can never be ruled out, but also phrases like that are "shamanistic" and prove nothing but your doubt, which of course you are free to have. We could argue endlessly, but to what end? The only thing I knew then was, that I had fallen for some hogwash and had wasted money. The subconscious you speak of could of course have played a trick on me, the only thing here is, that for my profession of yore, I had been very carefully trained and later quite efficient in not falling into traps like that. I also remember how angry I was with myself and- as I had said before - I was never quite convinced that what I heard came from my rig. I had given up on the Entreqs, when I heard the "change", whilst listening casually and even when that "change" persisted in the following sessions days later, I still had my doubts.

 

[dallasjustice]

Sweden is a country American Socialists use an example that Socialism "works." In reality, it's a high tax nation with relatively low per capita income. 82% of Swedes dry their clothes on a string and live in homes about one half the size of American homes. Swedish per capita income is on par with Alabama. So I'm not surprised at how desperate poor Olaf is selling his wooden cables.

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

 

[NorthSky]

That's an interesting perspective Michael.

 

[RayDunzl]

So I'm not surprised at how desperate poor Olaf is

He has a nice farm...

Entreq World Headquarters
Rönnetorp 18
265 90 S-Åstorp
Sweden

(see signage at the far left)

 

[Thomas savage]

That's an interesting perspective Michael.

Well it's reality...

 

[dallasjustice]

He has a nice farm...

Entreq World Headquarters
Rönnetorp 18
265 90 S-Åstorp
Sweden

(see signage at the far left)

Julian Assange is jailed in exile for years from Swedish "rape" allegations and Olaf lives on a large and beautiful farm in the Swedish countryside. Swedish justice!

 

[fas42]

This "change over a period of time" is a tricky thing, something that I've had my battles with for 3 decades. And the longer the period through which that changes occurs the more disturbing it might be, because one could be convinced that it is "all inside your head". Well, the truth is that systems change in quality all the time, for all sorts of reasons, and most times our heads adapt to that, telling us nothing has changed!

The way out is to get the system good enough that the changes always provide adequate quality, under all circumstances, and then you can rest easy ...

 

[Blumlein 88]

This "change over a period of time" is a tricky thing, something that I've had my battles with for 3 decades. And the longer the period through which that changes occurs the more disturbing it might be, because one could be convinced that it is "all inside your head". Well, the truth is that systems change in quality all the time, for all sorts of reasons, and most times our heads adapt to that, telling us nothing has changed!

The way out is to get the system good enough that the changes always provide adequate quality, under all circumstances, and then you can rest easy ...

So care to describe how you know when good enough is going to provide adequate quality under all circumstances. Along with what metrics you use to determine if that is the case. Or is this another of those we all know it when Frank knows it situations?