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Above 80 Hz with standard AVR crossovers.At what crossover frequency and slope do you think this becomes problematic?
Above 80 Hz with standard AVR crossovers.At what crossover frequency and slope do you think this becomes problematic?
"Goes down to 30 Hz" is very different than a subwoofer system that is FLAT to 20 Hz and below. Most "full-range" speakers are -6 or -10 dB there. Very, very, very few speakers are capable of flat playback that low and the ones that are, basically have subwoofers built in to their boxes. But then you're so restricted with placement that you will never get the most of of them.On this table, there is only the pipe organ & Sub Bass which drop below 20Hz, and only keyboard/synth that drops to 20Hz, so any full range speaker that goes down to 30Hz should be just fine...
Perhaps you could point out to me what on this chart really requires a true sub-woofer (ie: an Infra/sub sonic focused speaker), as opposed to merely requiring a woofer, whether integrated into a speaker, or external.
I like the "Quacker" a term I have not heard in my 66 & 1/2 years describing a mid-range.Yes the M905 seems to be a full range speaker (hence its output overlaps the range covered by mass market so-called "subwoofers")
In the "old days" the terms Woofer, Quacker, and Tweeter implied the three drivers needed to cover the audible range for a full range speaker... (yep midrange = quacker )
And a proper full range 3 - way speaker would typically have the woofer kicking in somewhere between 200 and 300Hz... with plenty of examples out there of 4 way speakers with both a bass and lower bass driver... in the current mass market paradigm I assume that would imply that it has a built in subwoofer ?!
The current usage of the term "subwoofer" for speakers that don't even get close to reaching 20Hz let alone going below that, gets up my nose.... (in case it wasn't obvious!!)
I lived at 622 St. Anne St. in the New Orleans French Quarter in the late 1970's & early 1980's.The good thing about ASR, by the way, is that you get selected music tips from connoisseurs that you can listen to right away. Of course I already knew the recording of Kevin Mahogany.
The piece is a classic. Decades ago I often used to go to jazz clubs in the Heidelberg area (Germany) where the headquarters of the US Army in Europe was. Very good musicians often came from there for sessions. Today I have less opportunity to do this and I also prefer to listen to classical or contemoporary classical music.
I think that's a bit of projection. When the most comprehensive research we have in this area found that for the vast majority of listeners, bass extension is a large part of how they perceive sound quality (thus its influence on the preference score), I tend to think those for whom it does not are in the minority.I have the impression that there are many low bass fetishists at ASR.
My contribution was not meant to be entirely serious. I just wanted to revive the discussion.I think that's a bit of projection. When the most comprehensive research we have in this area found that for the vast majority of listeners, bass extension is a large part of how they perceive sound quality (thus its influence on the preference score), I tend to think those for whom it does not are in the minority.
>Subwoofers make all big speakers obsolete?
Yes.
Here's my reason. The bass is purposely set slightly higher than average (active crossovers, but no room correction, just side wall treatments because of dipole ribbons). 26Hz is good enough for music to me. The wooden floor brings loads of tactile feedback as well. What's amazing in that room is how flat the bass (nearly +/- 2dB to 90Hz) is with no correction, particularly given how people say the main speaker is not an optimal location for bass. Power is 2x300W@4ohms per speaker (active bi-amped). Above 90Hz, the overall uncorrected response is about +/- 4.5dB, which is not bad for a speaker only rated +/- 3dB to begin with.worst case you put the subwoofers below the speakers. boom! full range speakers again. crossovers aren't hard.
I still haven't seen a good case for full range speakers other than i'm too lazy or not competent enough to integrate subs.
It's a digital Roland piano (keys are weighted like a Grand) workstation with cherry wood veneer. I do some recording in the room with MIDI and a Presonus for Logic Pro (hence the MacBook Pro on the top of it) . It does make a very convincing piano sound. I can play it through the Carvers too. I play piano, guitar and saxophone (my vintage Fender is sitting on the right side. I've had it since high school). I've got an acoustic guitar sitting just off camera to the left as well. My brother has my Alto at the moment.I don't know much about pianos but, doesn't it create all sorts of resonance? Is there some sort of brake for the wire inside?
Excellent question, until the answer was, basically: no strings involved. It was a question that I was going to ask but you beat me to it.I don't know much about pianos but, doesn't it create all sorts of resonance? Is there some sort of brake for the wire inside?
Awesome stuff! I wonder how the pitch was compared to digital copies, it could be slower with a slightly lower pitch. BTW in the izotope software you can hear the stuff which denoiser remove from the original, try the "output noise only" button. When it's used on constant hiss or noise or buzz it works basically perfect and you can hear it only on fade in and out part of the song.There were two pressing plants and I guess one was defective and terrible sounding (it sat shrink wrapped for years). Fortunately, mine was from the good plant as you might have guessed by the above description. I do prefer the bass on that one to my digital copies for whatever reason, though. It's usually the stereo version I play. I've got the new Atmos blu-ray coming next month, however. I can't wait to hear it on my 21 speaker Atmos system (PSB speaker based).
Haven't you tried to even out these peaks and valleys?Above 90Hz, the overall uncorrected response is about +/- 4.5dB, which is not bad for a speaker only rated +/- 3dB to begin with.
That would defeat the point of running this system without correction and I have no EQ connected to that system to try it. It's just Carver C5 preamp to Audio-X-Stream active Crossover to amps.Haven't you tried to even out these peaks and valleys?