Have you ever noticed that the attack on the Death Star is almost an exact rip-off of 'The Dambusters'?Star Wars was basically WW2 re-imagined in space in terms of the action sequences, and I think it worked superbly in the first trilogy and after a shaky start with the first prequel which was awful the idea worked well in episodes 2 & 3. However there are aspects to it all which have become silly to the point of breaking the illusion for me, such as:
Destroyed? Really? This is a fantasy franchise. It’s not real life FFS.What do you expect from passionate fans who's favorite characters and sagas have been destroyed for corporate virtue signaling?
The raging sea actually makes sense to me. Endor was a moon and the tidal effects would be massive. The best sci fi example that comes to mind are the "floating rocks" in Avatar. Come to think of it, Avatar was cool and original.
- Why was it a lovely day on Endor and then suddenly the sea was a raging storm?
Thanks for this post...Can I add a few:Star Wars was basically WW2 re-imagined in space in terms of the action sequences, and I think it worked superbly in the first trilogy and after a shaky start with the first prequel which was awful the idea worked well in episodes 2 & 3. However there are aspects to it all which have become silly to the point of breaking the illusion for me, such as:
- The scale is silly, because earthbound naval warfare generally takes place over areas of hundreds of square miles Lucas basically transposed a similar idea of scale to space with distances across solar systems, between planets and moons etc seemingly being the equivalent of a footstep. Admittedly this isn't unique to SW, but the Expanse does it so much better;
- After years of losing big ships and battle stations to star fighter attack the Imperials still haven't figured out that capital ships need point defence systems to defend against fighter attack;
- The weapons and technology look backwards compared to earthbound technology you can see out of the window if you live near a naval or air base;
- Being familiar with the various tools used to assess failure modes and faults, it's just silly to think the baddies keep designing their wonder weapons with fundamental weaknesses which allow the goodies to blow them to bits. For example the Sith star destroyers, planet killing star destroyers, thousands of them! Don't worry chaps, just land a shot on the big cannon and the whole thing blows up;
- The Imperials and their offspring are just so inept, look chaps we've built this wonder fleet of planet killing star destroyers, just park them all over there where they are vulnerable to attack and can't manoeuvre;
- Who had the brainwave of having a single navigation aid for the Sith planet, break that and the Sith are screwed. And on this one, why did Kylo Ren need a magical Sith wayfinder to find his way when an hour later apparently every ship in the Galaxy could fly there easily? And don't get me started on the stupid dagger that identified where to look on the wrecked Death Star;
- Why was it a lovely day on Endor and then suddenly the sea was a raging storm? And does anyone think enormous bits of old space station can fall out of the sky and seemingly have no impact on the planetary eco-system?;
- Storm troopers are great, they just can't shoot straight;
- The bit with Star Wars mini-me B-17 flying fortresses flying over battleships in formation to drop bombs on them was absurd;
- Why do they need super size Dreadnoughts to pound planetary targets when a small tactical nuke made 50 years ago would be more effective?
- Why have they never developed drone torpedo ships to execute the 'holdo manoeuvre' against big targets like Death Stars etc?
I could go on but I think it's enough. I thought maybe it was just me, but my two kids were pointing out some of the same holes, any sci-fi breaks down if you think about it too much, but good sci-fi allows us to forget reality and immerse ourselves in an alternate universe. The older Star Wars movies pulled it off but the sequels were just awful. The reason I loved Rogue One so much was partly because the Imperials were finally credible and scary rather than being just a joke. I admit, maybe part of it is that having worked in warship design I am especially sensitive to noticing so of these things, but I can still watch the originals and prequels and love them, Rogue One (which suffered from some of the issues), older Star Trek etc.
Erm you seem to be forgetting this is in a galaxy far far away, another time... Earth is not in Star Wars, the origin of "people" in SW is unknown and there are no "humans".The video of some holographic communications: In 2022 we have crystal clear Zoom, FaceTime, Skype, etc video calls, later we have those fuzzy holograms?
Plenty of entities get hit that aren't main characters associated with the force... don't forget the "will of the force" as well. The stories follow those strong with the force.To repeat our point about them not being able to shoot straight.. Seriously
So they have discovered (and use trivially) faster than light travel but can't have decent video ?Erm you seem to be forgetting this is in a galaxy far far away, another time... Earth is not in Star Wars, the origin of "people" in SW is unknown and there are no "humans".
Plenty of entities get hit that aren't main characters associated with the force... don't forget the "will of the force" as well. The stories follow those strong with the force.
Anyway... all that said, SW is not meant to be taken so seriously, it's mean to be fun entertainment.
JSmith
The raging sea actually makes sense to me. Endor was a moon and the tidal effects would be massive. The best sci fi example that comes to mind are the "floating rocks" in Avatar. Come to think of it, Avatar was cool and original.
So they have discovered (and use trivially) faster than light travel but can't have decent video ?
You mean this kind of blustery day?Waves are primarily the result of wind, if it is a raging storm with big waves then it will normally be a very blustery day in coastal land areas too
My apologies if the hyperbole was a little too graphic for you and yours. I'll try and dial it down for our tender folk.Destroyed? Really? This is a fantasy franchise. It’s not real life FFS.
Ooh - we could debate if it is science fiction, or fantasy. IMO, SF needs to be a little harder on the science side. SW is more sort of space opera.My apologies if the hyperbole was a little too graphic for you and yours. I'll try and dial it down for our tender folk.
More precisely it's a science fiction franchise, which is a form of performing arts. Kind of like the music you listen to on your hi-fi... It's not real life FFS.
I'm equally about the newest tech on film/digital, that's where the sci-fi genre should shine.Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge fan, and am old enough to have been one for as long as it is possible to be one. However, for me, story is everything: I'm not heavily invested in individual characters or needing plotlines to be 100% consistent accross stories.
That will be your loss, not mine.I went to the cinema to see that too. Won't make that mistake again.
Along with Star Trek, Star Wars, Matrix I found the following to be pretty innovative as well. Hoping for more to come, love SciFiThere is something really thrilling about a fresh new idea in Sci-Fi. Star Trek was one. Original Star Wars was another. And Matrix. We need more innovative programming like that. Those are more risky so studios rather make sequels but I hope that changes.
I enjoy Blade Runner 2049. The BluRay has an excellent Atmos sound track.Blade Runner (1982)