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Why i lose my music digital? what happen

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Better keep you CD's

The hack by major music company do, for managing the zillion digital version catalog they got and selling more, or getting rid of unused account (lost past word, new email, etc ) is :

To be able to reset database and milking sale, keeping the cost down, or by pass copyright:

The database contain zillion of digital music, it brings a lots of files clutter to manage.

Each time they change the version, they have the choice of bring older version (50years old) back or a new remastered version, that end previous access. It is a way to bring more money in for them less for the artist.

All the new version are cancelling the older one, and revoke access to it

In my case, exemple:

- I have bought Paul Desmond with Jim Hall, the integral, could not download it anymore, why? they change the version, it was replace. I have to purchase them or go streaming! but they are not all there

This way, the major erase all previous version and access, on all sell platform and all streaming platform!

If you made a copy of your purchase your safe.
If not, then it's gone, you have to pay a for a version that has copyright, artist get 1$, and major the rest of money.

Also, it is a form to encourage streaming, but a 1000 clic on streaming platform pay the artist between 0.13 cents 0.17cents!, if below 1000, no payment at all.

Also appearing on platform, are pay per hour artist, they get 100$ per songs, that's it
Streamer use this filling version as they wish, without paying more than the first 100$.
Yes, there are filling music that start to appear in platform!

Remastered=new version, cancel previous access
bonus track=new version, cancel previous access
etc.

Better keep the CD, because, the streaming version you like, is not there forever!

How do you experience HiFi, if you don't have the chance to hear it?
How do you learn and discover new music, if an Algorithm offer you only what is popular?

Enjoy
 
If something is not in your possession and you don't own it then you don't control it.

IMO - In the digital age NOTHING that can be stored digitally should be "out of print" or unavailable but I don't run the world....

I mostly have CDs.

For streaming, I only have a free Spotify account.

How do you learn and discover new music, if an Algorithm offer you only what is popular?
Personally, I'm old and I don't really go-looking for new music. :D I already own most the music I want to own. I've heard that Ringo Starr has a new album (of country music) and when I get some time I'll check it out on Spotify to see if I like it.
 
I keep my 40.000+ flac files safe, ripped from my own cd’s which I sold and numerous downloads.

Many versions have disappeared online.
 
Curious thing the CD's that i still have physically a few hundred you don't find them at thrift stores. Also first press releases (atleast 95% of my cd collection) in regular stores from the 80ties 90ties hard to get (if not impossible) which contain all transients from the first day they were released. I will never sell them.
 
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Discovering new music is not a new problem or one specific to streaming.
Agreed used to be too little and now too much, that's why I like KFJC's one/two paragraph reviews. That station's mission is play 85% of its music released in the last two years and avoid big name US artists. There is a lot of "music" outside my tastes so the reviews help me overload my favorites for a test drive. 6-8000 reviews searchable by any tag genre, type, country or city or...
 
I've ripped all my CDs, have the main drive, a backup and a second backup I keep off-site. I use Spotify for anything new or interesting, but as stuff can and does disappear from Spotify outside my control, if there's anything on Spotify I would be upset if it went away, I then buy the CD. Streaming is great, it has allowed me to find all sorts of stuff Iwould never have thought of.

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@Petrushka , KFJC's a radio? a web page? curious???
KFJC is an Internet radio station (and also a conventional FM station). It has a Web link to a stream. There are several ways to listen to the stream through your Internet connection. Most Internet radio stations, including KFJC, have a conventional Web page. The page(s) describe the station, have a link to its stream, and often provide alternate links that you can use in appropriate software, for example, BubbleUPnP and Minimserver.
 
Agreed used to be too little and now too much, that's why I like KFJC's one/two paragraph reviews. That station's mission is play 85% of its music released in the last two years and avoid big name US artists. There is a lot of "music" outside my tastes so the reviews help me overload my favorites for a test drive. 6-8000 reviews searchable by any tag genre, type, country or city or...
I just listen to playlists using the skip button. How is that worse than written reviews.

I don’t much listen to new music. I listen to old music that is new to me.
 
I just listen to playlists using the skip button. How is that worse than written reviews.

I don’t much listen to new music. I listen to old music that is new to me.
Music is personal thing and have collected so much since my flower child and surfing days so now crave the new and different. Those short reviews bring in new surf bands from all over the world plus cumbia, highlife, tango nuveo, electronic and I can skip death metal and rap to name a few. If you are set on certain genres then those reviews could help you by using the search function for folk, prog, classical or whatever is your niche, as that station focuses new artists in small and world markets. One other thing is that once one does that by clicking on the review and see what DJs are playing the new stuff in your niches and their shows are archived, so playing them at your leisure, with skip forward just like any playlist. There could be other sources that suit your tastes better it just that KFJC has a new two year focus and reviews go back decades on huge variety of music. I'll admit the most of does not appeal to me but what does is fresh and varied.
 
In Sweden you can make a copy of your own CDs for personal(private) or family use.
Even in Italy.
If I didn't read it wrong: copied and then sold, not copied and then put in the cellar.
However, if I misunderstood, I apologize to everyone.
 
I just listen to playlists using the skip button. How is that worse than written reviews.

I don’t much listen to new music. I listen to old music that is new to me.
So well said: "I don’t much listen to new music. I listen to old music that is new to me."

It described so much, what i do, very rare, that it is new music or artist, when this happen, it is a duo with establish artist, that intruduce me to the artist, who most of the time do sort of neo Bop, i hate so much, when the use classic jazz, with a loundge beat!
 
My CDs are ripped in .wav/.cue , they reside in my laptop and a second copy at external ssd.

I have:

- the master flac's (i.e. what I play)
- two copies on two Linux servers (each with raid 0 across 5 drives to reduce drive wear) in the house
- copies on three hard drives in my car which is parked away from the house (near site)
- copies on three hard drives at a relatives house 40km away (remote site)

I regularly use "ffmpeg" to read the complete set of flac's on the drives to validate all is ok (doing that right now on the "remote site" copies as we speak). For example:

ffmpeg -v error -i "./Blues/[A]/Anson Funderburgh/[1999]Change In My Pocket/01 - Change In My Pocket.flac" -f null -

All drives (both internal and external) are 3.5" spinning rust... track density (for the same size disk) is way less on a 3.5" platter than a 2.5" which increases tolerance for mis-tracking. Plus spinning rust tends to fail gracefully and with warning via S.M.A.R.T *** analysis...SSD's can just go ping and die.

Ya cant be too careful.

In my opinion, even if you only want to spin CD's you should still rip them and keep off site copies... that way if the house gets lost along with the CD's you have the ability to quickly get going again via streaming local files. Better than having nothing.

Don't have my CD's any more as I can confident in my backup regime.

Peter

*** S.M.A.R.T works only on internal drives hence using ffmpeg as a check on all drives including the internals and externals.
 
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Yep. I've been burned by buying a license to "own" a digital movie. Never again. If you buy digital content you should make sure you get to download a local file that is in an open source format like FLAC.
 
That is the main reason why i don't like streamin, you don't own any copy of music. If the steaming service goes down (nothing last forever) the music is gone. I have a NAS server and several backups kept offline on various places of it to keep my digital music collection secure (as far as that is possible off course. And i still got my huge vinyl collection also.

And as (former) dj and radio music editor, i got often many remixes and variations of song, that you can't find on streaming services at all. Bootleg live recordings or demo's are also not there. The only streaming i use is webradio and podcasts. Streaming may be easy and convenient in some aspects, but it's a hurdle in others.
 
I have:

- the master flac's (i.e. what I play)
- two copies on two Linux servers (each with raid 0 across 5 drives to reduce drive wear) in the house
- copies on three hard drives in my car which is parked away from the house (near site)
- copies on three hard drives at a relatives house 40km away (remote site)

I regularly use "ffmpeg" to read the complete set of flac's on the drives to validate all is ok (doing that right now on the "remote site" copies as we speak). For example:

ffmpeg -v error -i "./Blues/[A]/Anson Funderburgh/[1999]Change In My Pocket/01 - Change In My Pocket.flac" -f null -

All drives (both internal and external) are 3.5" spinning rust... track density (for the same size disk) is way less on a 3.5" platter than a 2.5" which increases tolerance for mis-tracking. Plus spinning rust tends to fail gracefully and with warning via S.M.A.R.T *** analysis...SSD's can just go ping and die.

Ya cant be too careful.

In my opinion, even if you only want to spin CD's you should still rip them and keep off site copies... that way if the house gets lost along with the CD's you have the ability to quickly get going again via streaming local files. Better than having nothing.

Don't have my CD's any more as I can confident in my backup regime.

Peter

*** S.M.A.R.T works only on internal drives hence using ffmpeg as a check on all drives including the internals and externals.
Im a Solaris nerd and had home nas oracle solaris 11.4 with zfs raid-z2 storage of spining drives . It was bulk and noisly and I retired it year ago. In my (future:)) plans I have to make a new one, compact and quiet..
I cant think of more secure data keeper than Zfs especially that in its native home solaris.
 
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