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Seeking Your Input for a Streamer Solution

Fosi Audio

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Hello members,


This is a thread for collecting product development advice. In recent years, the streamer market has developed rapidly, with brands like Sonos, WiiM, Marantz, Bluesound, and Audiolab continuously releasing new products. However, these brands utilize different systems/apps, such as BluOS, DTS Play-Fi, and the WiiM app.

We would like to gather feedback from you: which of the mentioned systems/apps do you find the most user-friendly, or are there others that you would recommend?

Thank you. :)
 
I'm personally a fan of WiiM.

Their app actually works well and isn't hard to use. The hardware is decent but the software simply works as expected. I think this puts WiiM ahead of any of the other Sonos competitors I've seen in the past 10 years. When I was in the biz, we didn't even think of competing with Sonos on the WiFi multiroom category, because the integrations and software are more complex than we could handle (and I think this is true of most firms.) In this sense WiiM is something special.

I've heard that they've partnered with (IIRC) a home installer brand for that type of product.

One thing WiiM has not gone after yet is a speaker. (e: apparently they have.) I know that Fosi is not a speaker company (yet?) but perhaps a WiiM-integrated speaker (like Sonos) could be an interesting product?


Or a WiiM-integrated CD player, turntable, etc. As far as pure streamers and amps they already have quite a lineup of their own. But my suggestion would be to partner with WiiM and build it into something new.
 
WiiM has actually just partnered with Audio Pro to use the full feature set of WiiM-OS with certain Audio Pro speakers.
 
What I like about WiiM is all the support for RAAT, airplay, chromecast, and its own app. I was having glitches with Roon using RAAT and rather than troubleshoot I just switched to chromecast and it has been flawless ever since.
 
I have a WiiM Ultra. I enjoy:
  • Its own software platform and purpose-built OS
  • Frequent push firmware updates over the wired Web, not a silly USB stick down loaded from a computer
  • A very nice, easy to use iOS app
  • Flexibility to use my Benchmark Media Systems DAC 3B to do the D/A conversion
  • Lots of choice of streaming music sources/subscriptions.
If I were going to design an Ultra +, I have ideas about that. But I can't speak for others so I shall remain silent.
 
I prefer the Wiim devices and especially their apps to the ones by Eversolo.

Consider making two streamers boxes. A cheap one -- streamer only with no DAC or other inputs (some people insist on using external DACs) and a streamer/DAC with the internals and all the inputs of your ZD3.

I see people asking for an HDMI out to be able to show what is playing. Might be a good idea to provide that on both the standalone streamer and the version with the DAC.

The version with the DAC needs subwoofer out with bass management and it needs to provide a good headphone amp. When a headphone is plugged in, it should have an option to automatically disable the other outputs. Schiit failed on this.

Don't waste money with MQA support. The people who fell for the MQA scam like to pay more for everything and probably wouldn't be interested in your product.

Provide selectable XLR or RCA outputs like the Eversolo DMP-A6.

Include a touchscreen display screen on the front at least the size of the one on the A6. Show the volume level on the screen along with the album art. Mirror the included screen on the HDMI output. Provide a button on the remote to turn the screen on or off.

In the app, provide an option for fixed output. Good EQ options like Wiim.

No tube BS!
 
I used Sonos for a few years, but they moved away from audio towards AV, and made many missteps. I now use, and prefer, WiiM.
 
Cambridge Audio StreamMagic app. To me it's by far the better app in terms of UI compared to Wiim Home (I have both), though I have to note that the Cambridge app lacks EQ and room correction.
 
In terms of user friendliness, I used to find Sonos to be user friendly (before Sonos made their infamous mistake). It had a polish which made it smoother than BluOs and was quite intuitive. That user-friendliness is there in Roon too. WiiM lacks that polish but it is what I use now. The frequent updates that increase functionality rather than being cosmetic or bug fixes only make it more user friendly too.
 
Hello members,


This is a thread for collecting product development advice. In recent years, the streamer market has developed rapidly, with brands like Sonos, WiiM, Marantz, Bluesound, and Audiolab continuously releasing new products. However, these brands utilize different systems/apps, such as BluOS, DTS Play-Fi, and the WiiM app.

We would like to gather feedback from you: which of the mentioned systems/apps do you find the most user-friendly, or are there others that you would recommend?

Thank you. :)
Heos from Denon-Marantz is not very pleasant to use and it does not integrate the best platform in terms of file quality which is Qobuz.
Yamaha Musicast is solid but it is not gapless with Qobuz.
Sonos: we forget. They left hi-fi for easy listening (this being impressive for the size).
Blueos is easy to use, like the software used by Lumin.
I don't know Eversolo, but I gave a Wiim pro to my brother (sound engineer and very tech savvy) and he is very, very happy after a difficult start because the device refused to update. And he is very impressed by the quality of the little thing...

- In my opinion, a successful streamer from the user's point of view must allow him to directly integrate the URLs of the radio stations he listens to or that of the official website of the radio company (example BBC and Radio France), because Tunelm and Vtuner are not satisfactory in terms of sorting, impose advertising messages and have gaps...

- It must be multichannel on an HDMI output, because Dolby Atmos, 3.0, 4.0, 5.1 must be able to be read either from a streaming site or from files stored on a hard drive or a NAS: they will be decoded by the integrated AV.

- It must have two subwoofer outputs, one per channel and not the sum of the two. It must have a high pass low pass filter adjustable in frequency and slope, a subsonic filter, a phase and delay adjustment.

- It must have a parametric equalizer per channel and have the possibility of receiving a correction file following a measurement with external software in the form of a standardized file: there are several free and efficient measurement and correction solutions.

- It must have balanced outputs, especially on the subwoofer output

- If it allows you to read files stored on a NAS: you must pay attention to the number of files that it can manage without difficulty: Sonos stalls above 65,000 files. The same goes for the USB inputs.

- It must accept a small computer CD reader on a USB input to read CDs, especially not to rip them because automatic ripping does not give good results in terms of metadata.

- It must have USB, optical, coaxial, HDMI outputs to power a DAC or integrated AV... and analog stereo and subwoofer outputs for those who want to use it in stereo just connected to an amp and boxes.
 
I think utilising the latest WiiM / LinkPlay module makes the most sense for a Fosi Audio Streaming device. I had the Fosi Audio T10 which did this in a "cheap" way, but that used a very old linkplay module and the "app" that came with it was incredible limited compared to the latest WiiM devices. But for example a Fosi Audio integrated Amplifier with an integrated but much newer more capability LinkPlay module internally providing the streaming, a similar DAC to the ZD3 and the nice clean PFFB based TPA3255 sound of a ZA3 would be awesome. Though obviously would be very similar to the WiiM Amp Pro (except maybe with more powerful output)

So I would guess a partnership with LinkPlay but one where you can get the same constant firmware updates and take advantage of their mostly excellent Mobile App.
 
Having your device output dsd direct with no conversion to pcm would be something I think no one else has at this point although I might be wrong, since many dacs out there take dsd direct.

Having a crossover selection ie

Bessel , Butterworth , Linkwitz-Riley and being able to adjust them as well.​


Just a thought.
 
I guess I'm an outlier here, but I wouldn't trade my BluOS for any other streaming system.
 
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