NY Times visits Ojas

[BicycleJoe]

Wow. Do I ever loathe the NY hipster scene.

There is no New York hipster scene that was a decade ago they are all middle-aged with kids and jobs now

 

[BicycleJoe]

First post of day and LOL I stopped here:
“I was fully blown away,” Mr. Ronson said. “I genuinely had a spiritual experience listening to music that day.”
LOL
What a load of bull. It just gets worse as it goes, name-dropping all the way.
A "streetwear pioner", really. Must be hipster streetwear. So far I know, streetwear comes straight from sportswear stores, and functional winter clothes.

Then you don't really know much about streetwear or the spiritual component of music, OJAS did not write the article

 

[DonR]

I was their several times, the exhibition runs till august 5th, it is in a museum and the "Dream" Listening room is only one exhibit.
The program changed every week.
This guy is not a designer of streetwear any longer, he simply builds high end gear now.
His ideals are pure and non commercial, this is not consumer gear.
He is somewhat of a savant.

Sorry some people are so judgmental and ready to label people Hipsters as a disparaging remark without hearing the results of his work.View attachment 221299

The picture alone shows us that the system is sonically inferior to many other mainstream offerings. Much of the technology being employed here was superseded 40-50 years ago so a museum is indeed a totally fitting venue.

 

[BicycleJoe]

The picture alone shows us that the system is sonically inferior to many other mainstream offerings. Much of the technology being employed here was superseded 40-50 years ago so a museum is indeed a totally fitting venue.

you left out the "in my opinion" part of your statement. Objectively he stated that is where his designs begin but then he develops them further.
IMO the technology of today supersucks compared to the technology of 65 years ago in the 1950's.
Here is a question for you, did you hear his system before judging it? Or do you always judge with your eyes and pictures.

 

[Ken1951]

IMO the technology of today supersucks compared to the technology of 65 years ago in the 1950's.

Being born in 1951 gives me the absolute right for the facepalm reply.

 

[DonR]

you left out the "in my opinion" part of your statement. Objectively he stated that is where his designs begin but then he develops them further.
IMO the technology of today supersucks compared to the technology of 65 years ago in the 1950's.
Here is a question for you, did you hear his system before judging it? Or do you always judge with your eyes and pictures.

It's not opinion, it's objective fact. Tube amplifiers and vinyl record players are measurably inferior to most modern equipment. You cannot rely on listening tests as objective measurement as has been pointed out many times in articles on this forum.

 

[BicycleJoe]

Being born in 1951 gives me the absolute right for the facepalm reply.

Since you were 9 years old in 1960 I'd have to differ to your expertise .....not
Aren't you a little old for similes

 

[Ken1951]

Since you were 9 years old in 1960 I'd have to differ to your expertise .....not
Aren't you a little old for similes

Nope, been using similies for quite a few decades now. Analogies as well!

 

[JeffS7444]

I was their several times, the exhibition runs till august 5th, it is in a museum and the "Dream" Listening room is only one exhibit.
The program changed every week.
This guy is not a designer of streetwear any longer, he simply builds high end gear now.
His ideals are pure and non commercial, this is not consumer gear.
He is somewhat of a savant.

Sorry some people are so judgmental and ready to label people Hipsters as a disparaging remark without hearing the results of his work.View attachment 221299

Looks like a fun space with "V shaped standing wave disrupter"! The web site does say that he studied audio engineering at university. I wouldn't mind checking it out if I were in the area.

There's room in this world for audio components as objects of desire and style. Ditto with automobiles wildly overspec'd for public roads, fountain pens which occasionally leak, and automatic wristwatches which aren't especially accurate. Heck, people like eating bacon for heaven's sake. In the USA, we call this sort of random nonsense "Life, liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

 

[BicycleJoe]

It's not opinion, it's objective fact. Tube amplifiers and vinyl record players are measurably inferior to most modern equipment. You cannot rely on listening tests as objective measurement as has been pointed out many times in articles on this forum.

You like DAC's and streaming, I prefer High End Tube Amplification and Turntables.
Measurement along side listening tests is a requirement to make any objective judgements.

 

[DonR]

You like DAC's and streaming, I prefer High End Tube Amplification and Turntables.
Measurement along side listening tests is a requirement to make any objective judgements.

Again, a listening test cannot be objective, especially when not conducted blind.

 

[Katji]

Then you don't really know much about streetwear or the spiritual component of music, OJAS did not write the article

1 - I do. And you can go ahead and give us some idea of what you call "streetwear.
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and [2] I actually do. Like would 8-9 years of nothing other than Bengali vaishnava kirtan and bhajan be relevant[?]

and [3] I did not say that "OJAS" wrote the story. Read again or do something about your reading comprehension.

Since you were 9 years old in 1960 I'd have to differ to your expertise .....not
Aren't you a little old for similes

Your credibility might be a bit better if you could write better. You learn about question marks by about Grade 3.

Aren't you a little old for similes

And wtf is that supposed to mean?

 

[DonR]

And wtf is that supposed to mean?

I'll give him (?) the benefit of the doubt and say he meant smilies although I didn't know there was an age limit to their use.

 

[BicycleJoe]

Again, a listening test cannot be objective, especially when not conducted blind.

So you admit a blind test can be objective, I said along side measurement

 

[BicycleJoe]

1 - I do. And you can go ahead and give us some idea of what you call "streetwear.
"
and [2] I actually do. Like would 8-9 years of nothing other than Bengali vaishnava kirtan and bhajan be relevant[?]

and [3] I did not say that "OJAS" wrote the story. Read again or do something about your reading comprehension.


Your credibility might be a bit better if you could write better. You learn about question marks by about Grade 3.


And wtf is that supposed to mean?

OOH Spelling and punctuation,
Like would 8-9 years of nothing other than Bengali vaishnava kirtan and bhajan be relevant[?]
Maybe to you it is to the majority it would be unbearable.

 

[DonR]

So you admit a blind test can be objective, I said along side measurement

Only in so far as it can inform you of what your brain is thinking it's hearing. Sounds themselves are simple and easily measured objectively but our brains' reactions to sounds are complex and uniquely individual. What you decide you are hearing will not be the same as the next person's so opinions on sound can be highly varied and subjective. Some people are trained to listen for certain parameters of sound like distortion and can pick up minutia that most of us won't but thankfully these can also be found in the measurements.

 

[Katji]

OOH Spelling and punctuation,
Like would 8-9 years of nothing other than Bengali vaishnava kirtan and bhajan be relevant[?]
Maybe to you it is to the majority it would be unbearable.

1. Yes, punctuation. Basic education - very basic.
2. Learn to use forum quoting.
3. So what? That's a feeble response.
4. So show us something of what "streetwear" is, kid. Assuming you know how to use Google and link images.

 

[MakeMineVinyl]

The picture alone shows us that the system is sonically inferior to many other mainstream offerings. Much of the technology being employed here was superseded 40-50 years ago so a museum is indeed a totally fitting venue.

Not so fast! Have you actually heard a well set up Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater horn system in the flesh? If done well, they can compete with anything made today, and they have the advantage of extremely high sensitivity.

Now as far as this guy goes, I think he is definitely a wanker who seems to have a lot of disposable income from somewhere and he's getting credit where none is due. There are plenty of folks who devote themselves to building this stuff with vintage Altec or JBL components, yet they don't bother to get museum exhibitions devoted to their work.

From everything I've seen in videos, he seems to go for the cheap shot of visuals above substance. That 30-in subwoofer is a prime example. Rather than a well thought out and assembled system, he seems to be going for impressive looks above all. I know these systems extremely well and I would not think that anything I've seen would actually sound all that great.

 

[DonR]

Not so fast! Have you actually heard a well set up Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater horn system in the flesh? If done well, they can compete with anything made today, and they have the advantage of extremely high sensitivity.

Now as far as this guy goes, I think he is definitely a wanker who seems to have a lot of disposable income from somewhere and he's getting credit where none is due. There are plenty of folks who devote themselves to building this stuff with vintage Altec or JBL components, yet they don't bother to get museum exhibitions devoted to their work.

I really have no objection to the speakers although I think they may be somewhat out of place for an NYC apartment and more at home in a concert hall or theatre. I would also be a bit worried about the acoustic isolation of the turntable given the giant woofer pointing directly at it.

 

[MakeMineVinyl]

I really have no objection to the speakers although I think they may be somewhat out of place for an NYC apartment and more at home in a concert hall or theatre. I would also be a bit worried about the acoustic isolation of the turntable given the giant woofer pointing directly at it.

You are correct - these systems are totally and completely mis-matched to the size of the space (and it looks like a rather reverberant space at that). The multicell horns are also something which was designed for large movie auditoriums where it was important to get sound up into balconies and to every corner of the theater.

I have Altec A-7-500s in my 20' x 30' room, and they are pretty well sized for the space. All of the VOTT series speakers start to roll off around 50Hz, so I have four 18" JBL subwoofers to fill in the low bass region. I have a turntable in the same room about 10' in front of the speakers and I had to build a turntable mount on the wall otherwise there was excessive LF sensitivity to things like foot falls and if the volume was turned up high enough, acoustic feedback. The wall mounting of the turntable cures that problem.