Extreme Snake Oil

[Palladium]

Whats the point of that LPS when everything downstream is full of DC-DC switching power supplies? The religion isn't even internally consistent at its own appalling logic.

 

[Rhamnetin]

Whats the point of that LPS when everything downstream is full of DC-DC switching power supplies? The religion isn't even internally consistent at its own appalling logic.

Not to mention all the DACs and amps I've seen with the best measured noise performance use SMPS.

 

[mhardy6647]

Whats the point of that LPS when everything downstream is full of DC-DC switching power supplies? The religion isn't even internally consistent at its own appalling logic.

It's a synod of the same religion that puts one meter of exotic and expensive power cord between the AC mains socket on the wall (which in turn is attached to the house wiring and thence out to the grid) and whatever commodity wiring that's in the component.

 

[Palladium]

It's a synod of the same religion that puts one meter of exotic and expensive power cord between the AC mains socket on the wall (which in turn is attached to the house wiring and thence out to the grid) and whatever commodity wiring that's in the component.

And plugging that into a IEC receptacle that costs 5 cents a piece wholesale in China...

 

[Overseas]

What the Schiit!? Link below from a company that makes a cable sold by Ludic, while Schiit sells Ludic cables. Thats how I got into this.

Who Are We

Phyis is a purveyor of research in improving sound quality..That reputation did not come easily – it took decades of hard work and thorough attention to detail.All underpinned by a rigorous scientific method and a commitment to excellence in all things.From the start, Physis invested heavily…

www.physis-research.com

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Who Are We​

Phyis is a purveyor of research in improving sound quality..
That reputation did not come easily – it took decades of hard work and thorough attention to detail.
All underpinned by a rigorous scientific method and a commitment to excellence in all things.
From the start, Physis invested heavily in research. It is something that continues to this day. Our focus was initially on researching the effects of different conductors, insulators, and construction formulations.

Physis story goes way back
In 1980, a researcher at the Dutch Laboratory of the Dutch Broadcasting Corporation (NOB) began his development with experimental research in search of improved sound quality.
One of the tasks was to find out if the electrical components affect the quality of the sound produced. Initially, the attention of the researcher was focused only on audio signals, after that, the field of study expanded to include optical signals.
That was on both empirical and subjective performance. In other words, we wanted to find out what makes cables sound the way that they do.
Long research led to the possibility of creating a specific product based on carbon, after a series of painstaking experiments, the researchers of Physis found the right modification and all errors were taken into account and corrected.
The effect of the developed product is unparalleled and can delight people who are versed in the audio field.
Soon, it was clear that existing measurement techniques were unable to explain audible differences, so we challenge you to test it yourself!
Source: Van der Heide, H.J., Perception and experience of sound: natural or electro-acoustic?
Prana 113, June/July 1999, p 75 & 76.
Physis

The extraordinary story goes on...​

• An unusually deep sound comparable to the real presence, not the audio version of the performance.
• The sound source with its accompanying effects does not change its position, both when playing through the speakers and in headphones.
• The center of the delivered sound, using this innovation, no longer depends on the position of the listener or on the position of the speakers, which was a big problem before.
• The presence of a third person between the sound source and the listener no longer interferes and does not change either the quality or the presentation of the sound.
• The sound is delivered equally loudly throughout the space in which it is played.
• Loudspeakers are no longer sound sources.
• Low notes are reproduced with natural lightness and extraordinary fullness, even with relatively small speakers. High notes are reproduced with a clarity and lack of harshness that distracts the listener on many modern recordings. In addition, analog tape recording loses a certain degree of sharpness. This mainly concerns the reproduction quality of stringed instruments.
• The influence of “treble” and “slope” filters on sound, even if they are clearly measurable, is greatly reduced in the perception of the listener.
• The measured signal ratio of the noise signal in the circuit before and after the modification remains identical, but, nevertheless, when listening to the modified circuit, the noise appears softer and less obvious.
• When listening through headphones, sounds are perceived not only from left to right, as in conventional systems, but also from the front and back, and from above and below. In addition, the source of the sound is no longer felt as inside the head, but as if it occurs outside of it, around.
• When listening to this system, some are faced with the impression that they themselves are part of the sound, while others take part in it. For many, this feeling of "presence" was shocking, and moreover, it was impossible to get rid of this experience, during subsequent auditions, without this development, the sound was no longer satisfying. Some were left with the impression of participating in two realities, on the one hand, sitting in a room, listening to a composition with a pair of speakers, on the other hand, being present at a musical performance. Illusion has a unique sense of reality, an unrealistic event under existing conditions.

 

[Palladium]

Nope, no basic psychological phenomena at work here.

 

[mocenigo]

Not to mention all the DACs and amps I've seen with the best measured noise performance use SMPS.

But, but but... switching power supplies ruin the sound!!!!!111!!!

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Can't these people be taken to court? I mean, we have Trading Standards here for such crap as this...

Yes. The problem is by whom. Their victims are also their loyal customers. The folks who see the fraud have no case because they don’t buy the products. They haven’t been damaged.

 

[dimedrol]

there are customers who are after expensive flashy stuff - to claim their high social status but also something to flash in front of your less fortunate friends and relatives to assert superiority. Fat cables, armored enclosures, exotic materials, over- or under- designed circuits and algorithms - depending on the marketing pitch - this is their domain.

there are customers who want the best bang for their buck and their budget can vary greatly. This is who this website is for.

Basically those two crowds don't overlap therefore there is no conflict of interest. There's nothing we can say here that can change the minds and hearts of the first group or vice versa.

 

[pjn]

there are customers who are after expensive flashy stuff - to claim their high social status but also something to flash in front of your less fortunate friends and relatives to assert superiority. Fat cables, armored enclosures, exotic materials, over- or under- designed circuits and algorithms - depending on the marketing pitch - this is their domain.

there are customers who want the best bang for their buck and their budget can vary greatly. This is who this website is for.

Basically those two crowds don't overlap therefore there is no conflict of interest. There's nothing we can say here that can change the minds and hearts of the first group or vice versa.

Great summation! No reason to stop laughing at the snake oil - the outrage should be simply directed at the snake oil vendors who target the less well off - Audioquest, I'm looking at you!

 

[Killingbeans]

there are customers who are after expensive flashy stuff - to claim their high social status but also something to flash in front of your less fortunate friends and relatives to assert superiority. Fat cables, armored enclosures, exotic materials, over- or under- designed circuits and algorithms - depending on the marketing pitch - this is their domain.

there are customers who want the best bang for their buck and their budget can vary greatly. This is who this website is for.

Basically those two crowds don't overlap therefore there is no conflict of interest. There's nothing we can say here that can change the minds and hearts of the first group or vice versa.

I suppose there's a third group, because stuff like this is neither flashy nor sane:

Albat Magic Chips

Albat Magic Chips - the tuning product for sound carriers! Stuck to a CD / DVD / Vinyl record (see photos), the bioenergetic MAGIC CHIP ensures a cleaner, more powerful and higher-resolution sound reproduction.And the best part: The sound improvement is - indefinitely - permanently stronger...

highend-electronics.com

I think both the posers and the nerds can agree on laughing at ridiculous hocus-pocus nonsense like this.

 

[mhardy6647]

I suppose there's a third group, because stuff like this is neither flashy nor sane:

Albat Magic Chips

Albat Magic Chips - the tuning product for sound carriers! Stuck to a CD / DVD / Vinyl record (see photos), the bioenergetic MAGIC CHIP ensures a cleaner, more powerful and higher-resolution sound reproduction.And the best part: The sound improvement is - indefinitely - permanently stronger...

highend-electronics.com

I think both the posers and the nerds can agree on laughing at ridiculous hocus-pocus nonsense like that.

Well.
They've got porpoises on them.

 

[Mrpinortiner]

Not sure if this one has made it here before. Came across the feed today

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/l...highend-audio-ground-noise-reducer-new-tweaks


A deal at only $6499

 

[Justdafactsmaam]

Not sure if this one has made it here before. Came across the feed today

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/l...highend-audio-ground-noise-reducer-new-tweaks


A deal at only $6499

“New with high discount, never used! One Telos Audio GNR 5.1 high end audio Ground Noise Reducer. Using the same analogy as a high precision digital clock, GNR 5.1 generates low distortion Ground reference voltage, giving each equipment a consistent reference point. When the audio setup is operating on a singular Ground potential, the signal transmission becomes least impeded, avoiding any transmission loss due to polarity mismatch and bit error. Therefore, truly achieving the best transmission possible. GNR 5.1 can be upgraded to the Plus version with an additional board which costs around 1.000 euro. Retail price is 8.500 euro, now for 6.499 USD only. The original box and six 1,5 metre Telos ground wires are included.”

Makes perfect sense, I knew my ground was suffering from bit errors. Now we have a solution

 

[Salt]

Streaming into new dimensions

 

[AdrianusG]

Well.
They've got porpoises on them.

"The French amplifier manufacturer and Diapason d'or award winner Jean Luc Benoist writes about the Magic Chip:
"...locks and doors open, curtains fall and the real thing in the recording becomes more and more present - especially with recordings that are considered to be difficult in terms of sound..."

LOL Good to know though, that a so called "Serious" Hi-Fi manufacturer is into this kinda BS.
A nice warning to stay away from this brand.

 

[AdrianusG]

Well.
They've got porpoises on them.

I tried it myself with Pringles (spicy kind) but that didn't work out, it was a cheap ass solution, i should have known better.

 

[mhardy6647]

"The French amplifier manufacturer and Diapason d'or award winner Jean Luc Benoist writes about the Magic Chip:
"...locks and doors open, curtains fall and the real thing in the recording becomes more and more present - especially with recordings that are considered to be difficult in terms of sound..."

LOLGood to know though, that a so called "Serious" Hi-Fi manufacturer is into this kinda BS.
A nice warning to stay away from this brand.

Dude.
I want that.


So -- if I try these things and my window treatments stay where we put 'em* -- the Magic Chips are returnable, right?

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* To say nothing of doors and security features pertaining thereto. Stuff like this would be emininently quantifiable.

 

[pjn]

Not sure if this one has made it here before. Came across the feed today

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/l...highend-audio-ground-noise-reducer-new-tweaks


A deal at only $6499

There's some seriously strange stuff at that site! The vibratron, in particular - https://www.audiogon.com/listings/l...ron-sx-brand-new-shipping-now-room-treatments

 

[mhardy6647]

Sympathetic resonance... maybe time for some unsympathetic resonance.