Not at around $1 per meter speaker cable - which is all you need to pay for more than sufficient 12 guage.Could easily spend a thousand dollar to fill up 6m x 6m room.
Not at around $1 per meter speaker cable - which is all you need to pay for more than sufficient 12 guage.Could easily spend a thousand dollar to fill up 6m x 6m room.
They make perfect sense - when they are marketed and sold on the basis of luxury and not non-existant performance.Luxury goods won't make sense to most of us. You want to see nuttiness check out high-end women's fashions.
No need to spend that much on a CD player. If you connect via toslink, then there is no sound benefit to be had and there are offerings from Yamaha, Onkyo and Sony at less than half the lower end of that budget. So again - if you want to for aesthetics and/or features, fine, but don't do so thinking you'll get better sound.Thanks, very nice info. & good point headroom I was thinking 70-80 watts a channel
Speaker budget is about 2.6K Bookshelf style with stand
For some reason (I'm old) I don't want a class D amp I played in a band using them and they really kick but. I'm amazed how light, powerful & clean they are but I just don't like em. I'll take a look at benchmark AHB2 amp. Budget is at about 1500 I was looking at integrated.
DAC was going to a Schitt I think they go for about 150 bucks good reviews here.
I'm also buying a CD player budget maybe 500-600
Turntable (why I don't know) 500-600
I need to look into DSP room correction my Yamaha AV receiver has it. I didn't know it could be bought separate.
Cables and such will just be normal 12ga speaker wire & connectors. Defiantly some large quaintly of snake oil on those items.
I'm no audiophile for sure I worked hard for my money & don't want waste it on snake oil claims. I already have some hearing loss in high freq. one reason I'd like an amp that has EQ (Marantz)
Thanks again & sorry to get off snake oil point.
Three figures for a pair of nylon stockings...Luxury goods won't make sense to most of us. You want to see nuttiness check out high-end women's fashions.
They make perfect sense - when they are marketed and sold on the basis of luxury and not non-existant performance.
Of course you can do that, if the PVC don't degrade over time. Even it does, it just becomes sticky on surface.Not at around $1 per meter speaker cable - which is all you need to pay for more than sufficient 12 guage.
I just all comes down to marketing and money. Not everyone who buys snake oil is gullible... they are just preyed upon by unscrupulous businesses.
It is not worth my time hating on people with alternative beliefs on audio. Let them!
What harm does it do to you?
Home use tropical country, high temp, high humidity, 24/7. Become sticky when you not in luck. You can say PVC shouldn't have this characteristics but it just happened right in front of you written PVC.PVC wire insulation was, in the past, projected for 25 year lifespan minimum ...... at over 450 volts! New lifetime projections are now over 100 years at line voltage. Audio speaker cable use is not at line voltage.
I have PVC wire in my house that is over 22 years old, and it looks like new.
I have seen PVC insulation become sticky, but only in installations where it had been subjected to enormous over-current conditions caused by circuit failure.
Jim
The Company might... I doubt their electrical design engineers do though. Paul's senior EE looked quite uncomfortable during his "answer to ASR" video for example. Rob Watts... it's hard to say if he really believes the extreme end of some of the things he claims... or not.I think that the vast majority of the pixie dust companies believe their own nonsense
Having been kind of into it in the 80s and early 90s I disagree - If you went to a store or pulled a magazine off a rack, you were getting pretty subjectivist views.It was rare to run into subjectivists audiophiles in 1980s.
Thanks for link ! I've been scouring CL/Facebook MP for used gear and have not had any luck. That Yamaha S801 seems like a good deal.I’d pick up some second hand electronics and get as much Genelec, KEF, or Revel as you can, perhaps also second hand.
Yes, I had an old house and high humidity (not quite tropical). The stuff can get sticky and soft in 25 years for sure. It can almost dissolve in fact in that time. I've seen it where you can grab some, and pull on it with finger grip and it comes off like using a wire stripper.Home use tropical country, high temp, high humidity, 24/7. Become sticky when you not in luck. You can say PVC shouldn't have this characteristics but it just happened right in front of you written PVC.
Of course, I had encounter PVC wire in engine and generator room at much worse than home condition.
Like eating a steak in the Matrix, does it matter if it isn't real? You hear what your brain tells you to hear. If a beautiful set of glowing tubes allows you to get more satisfaction from the listening experience, great. If inaudible measurement perfection allows you to hear music in a more satisfying way, great. If your quest is to optimize the budget-fidelity equation, then pursue and enjoy!I disagree. Plenty who should know better, who aren't weak in science or math get sucked into the same situation. All humans are susceptible to such behavior under the right circumstances.
Like I say - when they are not marketed as delivering performance they cannot, or do not, have. Which most of those things you mention are.Have you seen the high end women's cosmetics market? All sorts of creams that claim anti-aging, anti-wrinkle properties, then there are those fat busting pills ... and then you have Gwyneth Paltrow.
The problem with the "not real" is it doesn't last.Like eating a steak in the Matrix, does it matter if it isn't real? You hear what your brain tells you to hear. If a beautiful set of glowing tubes allows you to get more satisfaction from the listening experience, great. If inaudible measurement perfection allows you to hear music in a more satisfying way, great. If your quest is to optimize the budget-fidelity equation, then pursue and enjoy!
Precisely. As I’ve said before, my working hypothesis is that most of the non-aural input into listening perceptions is unstable, and that’s one reason why we have upgrade treadmills, veil-lifting, and endless tweaking.The problem with the "not real" is it doesn't last.
The buyer listens and compares when they get their new kit, and hear all sorts of wondferfult things - because they are listening for them. Then they go back to listening as usual, and the magic fades. They are left unsatisfied and the need to upgrade yet again to an even more expensive - yet equally (or possibly worse) performant system.
I have a theory on why some pay thousands for placebo products in the audiophile world.
I believe that such deniers of measurements are very weak in knowledge of science and maths.
Fat busting pilla that are effective do exist. But they are extremelly dangerous and risky.Have you seen the high end women's cosmetics market? All sorts of creams that claim anti-aging, anti-wrinkle properties, then there are those fat busting pills ... and then you have Gwyneth Paltrow.