Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

[Shiva]

landed on this vid this morning and thought I pass it on.

 

[drmevo]

landed on this vid this morning and thought I pass it on.

What's your take on the video that you found it relevant to the thread? Or were you just lighting the fuse and walking away?

 

[krabapple]

Shitposting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Leporello]

landed on this vid this morning and thought I pass it on.

I get a warm and fuzzy feeling watching videos like this - enjoying the realization that my Apple headphone adapter is able to reproduce music orders of magnitude more faithfully to the source signal than any of these monster oil rigs.

 

[HammersRocco]

I get a warm and fuzzy feeling watching videos like this - enjoying the realization that my Apple headphone adapter is able to reproduce music orders of magnitude more faithfully to the source signal than any of these monster oil rigs.

Think about those rigs as owning a luxury car - or a sports car in the city. It is really dumb to own those. But people get something else from it.

I do hope you don't own a luxury or a sports car...

 

[Robin L]

The mystery of the vinyl renaissance is deep....as deep as the cosmos.

How deep is that? Fathomless. It's turtles all the way down.


(alternatively, the 'mystery' was solved within a day of the first post, and the rest has been just:
Arguments, agreements
Advice, answers
Articulate announcements
Babble, burble, banter
Bicker, bicker, bicker
Brouhaha, balderdash, ballyhoo
It's only talk )

Elephant talk.

 

[MattHooper]

I get a warm and fuzzy feeling watching videos like this - enjoying the realization that my Apple headphone adapter is able to reproduce music orders of magnitude more faithfully to the source signal than any of these monster oil rigs.

Probably not orders of magnitude.

By monster oil rig, are you referring strictly to extravagant turntables? Or to entire systems like the one in the video?

 

[Galliardist]

landed on this vid this morning and thought I pass it on.

Someone played a record. Big deal. If this thread has established one thing, it's that people play records sometimes.

 

[Shiva]

I thought the vid interesting and in keeping with this thread. Didn't sound too bad over my Sennheiser 580's either...

 

[KEM]

Let’s put this claim to the test. Start a list.

KNOWN-TO-BE-WONDERFUL PERFORMANCES ONLY EVER RELEASED ON LP

1. ?

They have to be wonderful. Widely agreed to be wonderful, not just in your opinion. List the sources.


You could also digitise your own LP, just for starters.


Uh oh, here we go again. Claim: “The best LPs sound better than any digital recording, ever.”

Vinyl overdefenders to note the above. Yet again we have people claiming on ASR that some vinyl sounds superior to any digital they have ever heard.

So please stop with the insistences that this isn’t happening here. It is. It keeps on happening.


Oh, you have left out a biggie: the listener’s biases. You are not exempt.

The better way to present the known fact that mastering is a critical factor, is like this.


Well so do I, but your perspectives defy science (unless I ascribe to you either low standards, or very little experience, or strong cognitive bias in favour of vinyl / against digital). I can listen to and enjoy both without making claims that seem to say more about the writer than the topic.

I have ripped many LPs to digital files. The ripped digital do not sound any different than the source LP. Digital is a very transparent medium, perhaps the best available today (not sure how 1 inch audio tape compares).
I do not have issue with digital. My problems lie with the recording and mastering processes. These can be done so poorly that the sound is dreadful, even if it is bit perfect.
Just look at how many previously mastered CDs and files have been remastered. Clearly the remastering is to fix the problems and create a more fulfilling listening experience.
LPs can be poorly mastered also. However, there are some older Decca classical and opera LPs that have wonderful sound, despite the obvious limitations of the medium.

Th creation of an enjoyable music file, CD, DVD, or LP, etc... requires skills in many different disciplines. Each one can be done poorly or well.

Of course digital is better as a medium than LPs are. There are far more limitations with the LP medium.
But the medium itself does not imply a good or bad recording. There's much more involved.

 

[Galliardist]

I thought the vid interesting and in keeping with this thread. Didn't sound too bad over my Sennheiser 580's either...

OK, you got me to look again.. I thought 580s would be more revealing than that?

I'm listening at work, not the best environment or setup, but there's a resonance with the singing at the start of the video that probably shouldn't be there.

Since that's the only thing I found of any interest, not being fond of "look at the expensive equipment" videos in general I swung to the end (in case there was a talk or something that I might miss) and then ducked out, I'm afraid.

 

[MattHooper]

I have ripped many LPs to digital files. The ripped digital do not sound any different than the source LP. Digital is a very transparent medium, perhaps the best available today (not sure how 1 inch audio tape compares).
I do not have issue with digital. My problems lie with the recording and mastering processes. These can be done so poorly that the sound is dreadful, even if it is bit perfect.
Just look at how many previously mastered CDs and files have been remastered. Clearly the remastering is to fix the problems and create a more fulfilling listening experience.
LPs can be poorly mastered also. However, there are some older Decca classical and opera LPs that have wonderful sound, despite the obvious limitations of the medium.

Th creation of an enjoyable music file, CD, DVD, or LP, etc... requires skills in many different disciplines. Each one can be done poorly or well.

Of course digital is better as a medium than LPs are. There are far more limitations with the LP medium.
But the medium itself does not imply a good or bad recording. There's much more involved.

Yet another lesson for @Newman: don’t leap to the least charitable interpretation of what someone wrote. Before leaping to conclusions perhaps ask them to clarify their point to you.

It makes for much better conversations.

 

[Galliardist]

I have ripped many LPs to digital files. The ripped digital do not sound any different than the source LP. Digital is a very transparent medium, perhaps the best available today (not sure how 1 inch audio tape compares).
I do not have issue with digital. My problems lie with the recording and mastering processes. These can be done so poorly that the sound is dreadful, even if it is bit perfect.
Just look at how many previously mastered CDs and files have been remastered. Clearly the remastering is to fix the problems and create a more fulfilling listening experience.
LPs can be poorly mastered also. However, there are some older Decca classical and opera LPs that have wonderful sound, despite the obvious limitations of the medium.

Th creation of an enjoyable music file, CD, DVD, or LP, etc... requires skills in many different disciplines. Each one can be done poorly or well.

Of course digital is better as a medium than LPs are. There are far more limitations with the LP medium.
But the medium itself does not imply a good or bad recording. There's much more involved.

I'm actually finding it hard to find decent measurements made recently for analogue tape as it exists in studios. I'll fall back on a response I had a few years ago when I asked someone who was working in a project digitising and preserving old recordings: tape can vary from worse than old recorded 78s through to just short of 16 bit audio, though the calibration to play back the best tapes is difficult so there are usually losses unless it is played back immediately on the same machine. Tape also deteriorates over time and there is nothing you can do to prevent some form of audible deterioration over time.

Yes, that's anecdotal. I'm surprised there isn't an easily found good set of measurments outside of old home use machines.

 

[Newman]

[to Newman] I have ripped many LPs to digital files. The ripped digital do not sound any different than the source LP. Digital is a very transparent medium, perhaps the best available today (not sure how 1 inch audio tape compares).
I do not have issue with digital. My problems lie with the recording and mastering processes. These can be done so poorly that the sound is dreadful, even if it is bit perfect.
Just look at how many previously mastered CDs and files have been remastered. Clearly the remastering is to fix the problems and create a more fulfilling listening experience.
LPs can be poorly mastered also. However, there are some older Decca classical and opera LPs that have wonderful sound, despite the obvious limitations of the medium.

Th creation of an enjoyable music file, CD, DVD, or LP, etc... requires skills in many different disciplines. Each one can be done poorly or well.

Of course digital is better as a medium than LPs are. There are far more limitations with the LP medium.
But the medium itself does not imply a good or bad recording. There's much more involved.

Nicely toned-down version of your original post. This I can fully endorse.

Your post shows class and quality, certainly miles better than post #9572 above, which goes straight into the category of post identified by @krabapple in post #9563 above. What a contrast!

cheers

 

[MattHooper]

So,,,Suggesting one take a charitable approach to understanding what others write is now “shit posting.”

That’s an… interesting take.

I guess that charitable attitude isn’t going to be adopted anytime soon.

And the thread goes on….

 

[Leporello]

And here we go again. A bookstore resurgence story in Guardian:

‘I love the whole atmosphere and can spend hours browsing’: how did bookshops suddenly become cool?

A new survey suggests that young people are shunning AI algorithms and online retailers to experience the joy of visiting bookshops

www.theguardian.com

All the formulaic elements of vinyl or film photography revival story are firmly in place, only the wording has changed a little. Even crate digging is actually there:

“I love the whole atmosphere in bookstores and can spend hours browsing – I think that’s a big part of it,” Emily, 26, from Northampton explains. “You can take hours without feeling rushed or like you’re imposing.”

Yes, Emily, but do you actually like reading?

And of course, you will find the obligatory "deeper connection" here, too:

This deeper connection is what really makes physical bookshops appeal to many younger readers.

 

[egellings]

landed on this vid this morning and thought I pass it on.

No lateral offset angle on that cartridge?

 

[Newman]

And here we go again. A bookstore resurgence story in Guardian:
All the formulaic elements of vinyl or film photography revival story are firmly in place, only the wording has changed a little. Even crate digging is actually there:
Yes, Emily, but do you actually like reading?
And of course, you will find the obligatory "deeper connection" here, too:

Good spot. It's easy to lose sight of just how little these 'revivals' are really about the music or literature itself. Even the participants don't seem to realise it. Your article, at least for now, contains a sidebar link to another article called 'Reading is so sexy: gen Z turns to physical books and libraries'. Sexy, cool, hip: call this aspect what you will. And at the bottom of the 'sexy' article, we find the following:

That's right: don't forget to get the T-shirt and baseball cap for your book or vinyl fetish. Not so many of the vinyl guys will go for the tote bag, I'm guessing, but I don't want to judge. Maybe for you we have the coloured vinyl set of Taylor Swift's latest album? Or the 50th anniversary remaster of whatever was hot in 1974? Merch merch merch, it's all merch and we're all marks.

cheers

 

[deweydm]

And here we go again. A bookstore resurgence story in Guardian:

‘I love the whole atmosphere and can spend hours browsing’: how did bookshops suddenly become cool?

A new survey suggests that young people are shunning AI algorithms and online retailers to experience the joy of visiting bookshops

www.theguardian.com

All the formulaic elements of vinyl or film photography revival story are firmly in place, only the wording has changed a little. Even crate digging is actually there:

Yes, Emily, but do you actually like reading?

And of course, you will find the obligatory "deeper connection" here, too:

You’re trolling the kids because they’re making bookstores trendy? Really? With a little dash of misogyny thrown toward Emily, maybe?

WTF.

 

[Newman]

You’re trolling the kids because they’re making bookstores trendy? Really? With a little dash of misogyny thrown toward Emily, maybe?

WTF.

WTF indeed, you are way off point and making false accusations that should be retracted.