svart-hvitt
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Btw @svart-hvitt, I'm now listening to some Sami music and quite liking it. Is this something you're actually into / can recommend some of?
Try Mari Boine
Btw @svart-hvitt, I'm now listening to some Sami music and quite liking it. Is this something you're actually into / can recommend some of?
Ontario does interpret this law in such a way that it requires certain new "non binary" pronouns to be used.I'm sorry, but you're misinformed about the law in Canada. Please refer to this link.
The law criminalises the following, and has nothing to do with forcing people to use any particular terminology to describe anyone:
Unfortunately, Jordan Peterson has spread a huge amount of disinformation about this law globally. It's rubbish; don't buy it. Go to Canada if you like and deliberately misgender someone. You will, unsurprisingly, walk free
- Advocating or promoting genocide against an “identifiable group” (including a group defined by gender identity or gender expression);
- Inciting hatred against an “identifiable group”; and
- Communicating statements, other than in private conversation, to wilfully promote hatred against an “identifiable group”.
Please note, I'm not saying here that all of Peterson's critics are right, either. That's a separate issue. My point is simply that he (and your post) mischaracterise the law in Canada.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/questions-and-answers-about-gender-identity-and-pronounsRefusing to refer to a trans person by their chosen name and a personal pronoun that matches their gender identity, or purposely misgendering, will likely be discrimination when it takes place in a social area covered by the Code, including employment, housing and services like education.
Here's one for you. A white guy from Boston does southern blues slide guitar and breaks into Tuvan throat singing.
And a bonus bit of appropriation.
I failed to be offended. Matt is great.
Ontario does interpret this law in such a way that it requires certain new "non binary" pronouns to be used.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/questions-and-answers-about-gender-identity-and-pronouns
But why would you call this "cultural appropriation"?
Has someone accused him of it?
The only qualifier I read from the OHRC dealt with place. I didn't read anything saying that the law only applies to certain groups. The OHRC further defines this boundary under the obtuse phrase "social area."Yes, this seems true when it comes to officers of public institutions dealing with members of the public.
But this does not limit the rights of private people in private contexts, and states that "freedom of expression is much less likely to be limited in the context of a public debate on social, political or religious issues in a university or a newspaper." Well, this is how I interpreted it.
Do you think this goes too far @dallasjustice?
The only qualifier I read from the OHRC dealt with place. I didn't read anything saying that the law only applies to certain groups. The OHRC further defines this boundary under the obtuse phrase "social area."
If Jordan Peterson's University required that he use Cis pronouns, I think that's wrong because he's tenured faculty and also has a clinical practice. It also defies logic because there's only two biological sexes according to basic human anatomy.(excluding one very rare congenital condition) But I don't know what sort of employment agreement he may have with the University. Maybe that's something they can do according to his terms of employment.
I also missed it. But then YouTube suggested I view a Jordan Peterson debate. In that debate, his opponent made the same argument; that the original legislation doesn't specifically require non-binary pronouns. Peterson invited the audience to view the OHRC website to see how Ontario interprets that law. So I did.Yeh, I'm not totally sure. The link from the Human Rights Commission says purposely mis-gendering "will likely be discrimination when it takes place in a social area covered by the Code, including employment, housing and services like education." So seemingly that could apply to Peterson if he teaches in Ontario. My interpretation is that it wouldn't apply to non-government employees though. But it does seem complicated.
I also missed this during our earlier discussion because I was looking only at the Canadian national law - not the laws of specific states.
I think Peterson feels very strongly about this issue but I don't think he's trying to be the Canadian Rosa Parks. So I'm afraid I'll never see a YouTube video of him intentionally mislabeling someone.Is it clear what the legal consequences of this are? For example, if JP deliberately misgenders a student in his capacity as a professor, what legal consequences flow from that?
Treat people with respect. That’s all there is. And feel free to mix some Sami chants into your next EDM hit.
'Collaboration' is an interesting word. If instead of composing music you were an author, and your publisher asked you to write a story with a Sami sub-plot, would you hire in a Sami storyteller to write part of it? It's just that authors are accused of 'cultural appropriation' too, but cannot, presumably, 'hire in some Sami'..?If the director specifically asked me to incorporate Sami musical elements I would ask her if the budget would allow me to collaborate with Sami musicians.
Any views, particularly the first few seconds?
Don't know about better. The Vapors one was a favourite when I was at school, and I think it has a certain charm and energy compared to the supposedly more sophisticated Bowie song..?This one’s better?