Pearljam5000
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Does KEF use Klippel to measure their own speakers ?
Given how long KEF has been around and doing a lot of R & D, they probably have a very good anechoic chamber. So, they really would not need a Klippel, which is designed to perform measurements without an anechoic chamber. But, perhaps Klippel provides other functionality they could use. Maybe someone from KEF could chime in.Does KEF use Klippel to measure their own speakers ?
No, it is presented as in the opinion of the reviewer, as the best speaker he has ever heard.This speaker is presented as better than anything else. But the presented measurements show obvious shortcomings and compromises. So how can this be "best there is", for any and all occasions, for any use case.
As of a conversation with someone from KEF last year they do not. They have a pretty good anechoic chamber (accurate down to a few hundred hertz) on site that they use instead. It was explained to me that they can measure and iterate much faster this way. Measuring with the NFS takes several hours as compared to a few minutes for the chamber.Does KEF use Klippel to measure their own speakers ?
In your tagline you indicate that you represent Kvålsvoll Design AS, which has its own line of loudspeakers. So, KEF is your competitor...Now I know the answer, obviously. But do you, or all others reading this review.
Then you should read more about what I do and what I am.In your tagline you indicate that you represent Kvålsvoll Design AS, which has its own line of loudspeakers. So, KEF is your competitor...
Are we looking at the same measurements? It's not a very good look for a manufacturer to be trolling like this.How am I going to achieve that, when the speaker has no pattern control from midrange and down, measurements (from this thread) show those speakers are omni at mid to low frequencies. I can't place the speaker far away from all walls.
Are we looking at the same measurements? It's not a very good look for a manufacturer to be trolling like this.
I agree, even altough I don't agree with each of his judgement and action which is normal as every human is different, such behaviour makes me sick, even more since it comes mainly from people who haven't even contributed a small fraction of useful objective information in comparison. Guess his success makes their bile come out.WELL SAID!!! There is a disturbing streak of nastiness that runs through ASR, and some of the comments in this thread are over the top. I think Erin's great.
Bingo.Just look at the measurements and if you can don’t read or at least place any great value on the subjective.
Keith
If it was true, I don't see what he claims but even more for an aesthetic home audio loudspeaker smooth directivity control down to 300 Hz where also most of the "solid, confined presence of the vocal" takes space.Please don't go there. I don't care if @Kvalsvoll is a manufacturer or not, all I care about is whether he makes valid points. And what he said was totally fair criticism.
Customers come to me because they understand what the measurements mean.
Keith
Yes, i find Erin's review to be more helpful as he explains in 2 channel, placement lingos.Amirm reviews are excellent & seen most all of his YT stuff but Erin's style is better for some, especially newer hobbyist because of the actual 2-channel placement & explaining in detail the on-off axis performance in correlation with the data. Amirm gives his listening impression's too so not to far off from each other. Were just lucky to have Erin & Amirm around doing what they do regardless of anything else. The data is there for anyone to see. They both take $ & definitely deserve to receive it.
My intent is to show that there may not be a best, rather there are compromises that the engineers behind a speaker must make, and eventually those chosen compromises leads to the customer having to make a choice as well. This did not come through, at least to me, in my brief assessment of the review and looking into a few posts early in this thread.No, it is presented as in the opinion of the reviewer, as the best speaker he has ever heard.
This is a very different statement than, the best speaker extant.
I agree.My intent is to show that there may not be a best, rather there are compromises that the engineers behind a speaker must make, and eventually those chosen compromises leads to the customer having to make a choice as well.
Directivity changes a lot through freq range, going omni down <300hz, and at high freq the pattern is quite a bit more narrow than many other typical hifi speakers with flat mounted domes. Is this good, or is it a fault. Perhaps it is intended by the designers of the speaker. What is true, though, is that this behavior affects the sound character of the speaker.If it was true, I don't see what he claims but even more for an aesthetic home audio loudspeaker smooth directivity control down to 300 Hz where also most of the "solid, confined presence of the vocal" takes space.